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    I wonder if scott would maintain his position if Manu had gotten hurt and was forced to miss the rest of the series/playoffs.

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    Najera always pulls this kinda crap, league should ban players like him who CONSISTENTLY play not just dirty or questionable but outright dangerous.

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    Surely no one needs to explain the difference between a good hard foul (Blair on Kidd) vs foul with intent to injure (Najera's hook around the neck).

    Surely not.
    Apparently, scott does.

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    I'm just surprised no one went directly for Manu's nose with a haymaker. There was tha tone play with Butler I think, but it wasn't that bad.

    I thought for sure that would be Terry's first objective out of the gates.
    That will be Terry when the Spurs are winning by double figures with 3-4 minutes left in the game.

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    ok, so Najera got a flagrant 2? which is ejection and automatic suspension for 1 game?

    who else got flagrant foul calls?

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    @ scott owning himself in this thread!!

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    I don't think Carlise sent Najera to hurt anyone but definitly to throw his body around, but how about Pop, man I thought Najera's life was in danger the way Pop charged out there, but he got sane just in time. Gotta love this guy.
    Here's the thing though.... listening to the radio here in Dallas, the guys calling the game for Dallas all acknowledge that Rick sent Najera in there to send a message...

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    Basically I expect the F1 on Blair to disappear by tomorrow afternoon.

    Also, if you looked at Najera's expression after the call I think he was feeling rather bad about it - I'm 99% sure he was sent in to play physical in the paint against drives but took it too hard on Manu. If you look at the entire game, Carslile didn't have any reason to bring Najera in because they were doing well playing their game. The only explanation is that he was sent in as another body free of fouls and able to commit some hard ones when needed. He just didnt contain himself and made a dumbass call.

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    You're wrong. Accept it.

    That was way over the line as a hard playoff foul goes. Grabbing someone around the neck is EXTREMELY dangerous.



    Coming from the guy with Mr. Microsoft in his sig, that's suuuuch an insult.
    What am I wrong about? Thinking the sport is over-pussified? If any Spur had committed the same foul, you'd be calling Mavs fans pussies for crying the way you all are. <Insert "no we wouldn't" rebuttal that you know deep down isn't true here>.

    Like I said, the foul warranted the ejection. But to act like these fouls are a travesty of man-kind and should be criminalized is just silly. I can't really be "wrong" about liking physical basketball that includes some hard fouls, since it's my opinion. You are free to disagree.

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    This is not the first time someone has tried dirty moves to take manu out, it never works tho. The spurs make teams loose there composure, the spurs are what you call a dynasty
    Yeah, Manu's not being Manu if he isn't getting under the oppositions skin and tempting them to lay him out....ask Denver.

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    Yeah, we're getting soft because we are pissed about Najera doing a take down (horse collar) that is banned in a sport played with guys with pads and helmets.

    Also a pussy rule in football, thanks.

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    The play went over the borderline of physicality into violence. That was an MMA move, not a foul. Najera has also done this kind of stuff before.

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    What hole is that? What part of me calling my fellow Spurs fans out for being oversensitive hypocrites are you failing to comprehend?
    pussies was the word used.

    I wasn't crying about the play i was calling him names cuz i felt it was deserved. either way

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    ok, so Najera got a flagrant 2? which is ejection and automatic suspension for 1 game?

    who else got flagrant foul calls?
    Blair with a Flagrant 1.

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    He grabbed the man and threw him down by the throat.

    That is dangerous .

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    Also a pussy rule in football, thanks.
    Yep, not like guys haven't blown out tendons, ligaments, knees, etc. that were on the receiving end of that. Who gives a about the safety of the players?

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    I wonder if scott would maintain his position if Manu had gotten hurt and was forced to miss the rest of the series/playoffs.
    See 2001 Playoffs and Derek Anderson. You would have found me on this site saying the exact same thing. Unfortunate we lost him, but that's playoff basketball.

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    See 2001 Playoffs and Derek Anderson. You would have found me on this site saying the exact same thing. Unfortunate we lost him, but that's playoff basketball.


    I don't care when another team intentionally injures one of our best players. Why? Oh, it's playoff basketball!

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    Dude, liking physical play is a far cry from really dangerous situations.

    That is dangerous. And it's worse if it's intentional. You cannot allow like that. I don't care if Blair does it. I don't care if Timmy does it. It's dangerous and carries a high risk of serious injury to a player. It's not right.

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    I don't think Carlise sent Najera to hurt anyone but definitly to throw his body around, but how about Pop, man I thought Najera's life was in danger the way Pop charged out there, but he got sane just in time. Gotta love this guy.
    did pop or any of the players leave the ben ch. Thee used to be a rule if you leave the bench you are banned from the next game.

    How many spurs should be suspended for the next game because of this play?

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    scott wants games played to the death, highest score at the end of 48 minutes isn't doing it for him anymore LMAO

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    did pop or any of the players leave the ben ch. Thee used to be a rule if you leave the bench you are banned from the next game.

    How many spurs should be suspended for the next game because of this play?
    none left pop immediately told them to go back and he went to go talk to the ref

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    Hard foul, get up, hit your free throws, end of story.

    Manu's been fouled much harder in his career, specially before arriving to the NBA. If Carslile wanted to send a message, he chose the wrong target. Just ask K-Mart, Carmelo or the (RIP) Sonics.

    The worst part of it was that the refs in a bizarre fashion started to call make-up fouls on the Spurs.

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    He grabbed Manu from behind, by the throat. You can hurt a player badly that way. And it wasn't just a grab - he pulled him backwards by the throat and then continued his motion and drug Manu to the floor. Pretty much the definition of a flagrant II.

    The thing that really pisses me off is that Kidd did exactly the same thing to George Hill in the last game, and the refs didn't call the flagrant. In a way Kidd's foul was worse, because Hill was running pretty much full speed, and Kidd horse collared him - yanked him down backwards. It was a play that would get you in trouble in the NFL. No place for it on a basketball court.

    It's all Najera is good for. I'd like to see him suspended for a game, and for tonight to turn out to be his last game in the NBA.

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    Yep, not like guys haven't blown out tendons, ligaments, knees, etc. that were on the receiving end of that. Who gives a about the safety of the players?
    If we are talking about football, then football is a violent game where people get seriously injured from perfect form tackles. Horse tackle injuries resulted in two high-profile injuries, neither career-threatening, that caused the rule to be established. If you've ever played football as a defender and you know the object is to tackle the ball carrier and you tackle someone the best way you can. Horse collars tackles (in football) are marginally more dangerous than grabbing someones jersey from behind and pulling them down (perfectly legal).

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