Guys you'll probably see for the last time in Mavs Jersey

[Findog]

Marion and.... ?

And I think Marion's defense is vastly overrated, especially considering he can't produce in a half-court set offense. Bowen wasn't a great offensive player by any means, but at least he could consistently hit the corner trey. Marion is useless against great defensive teams that slow the game down.

I wish Marion had been out there in crunch time at the end of Game 3. I cringe seeing JJB checking Parker in clutch situations. The Suns used to cross match with him and Nash and stick Nash on Bowen. I'm not saying Parker wouldn't have hit those three clutch jumpers over Marion, but I'd rather take my chances with him guarding Parker over JJB.

I also have a hard time understanding why Marion was so effective in the first half of G4 and then Carlisle elected to not play him much at all in the second half. If he's so useless against the Spurs that they can't risk giving him minutes, then why was he so effective in the first half when Dallas built a 15-pt lead? Shouldn't you go with what is working? If the argument is that the game bogs down into half-court sets and Marion is useless there, why was that not the case in the first half?

Butler? I haven't seen much from him at all yet. He doesn't seem capable of creating his own shot. What good is a guy who can light the regular season up but shuts down against playoff teams?

No, not Butler. Roddy Beaubois. I doubt Butler will be here next year. He has one year left on his contract after this season and will most likely be packaged with Damp.

What does Haywood do well?

Catch passes and finish at the rim. Something Damp can't do. The Mavs have a valuable trading chip in Damp's contract and he won't be a Mav come training camp in October. Without him, there's no C left on the roster. I'm sure the Mavs will want to resign Haywood. He's not a franchise big man by any means, but he's a lot better than most options available.

[Findog]

Money is not everything. A rich father can have a ty kid easily.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5137075

why blame cuban? listen to this ^

I watched the first two seconds of that clip and saw Skip Bayless on that panel, so I didn't watch it. Why would you want me to watch it? What possible insight does Skip Bayless have about anything?

Cuban the fan is frequently a jackass with his antics. Cuban the owner is fantastic. The Mavs didn't get the #1 pick in the lottery twice netting them a franchise center and the greatest PF in the history of the league, nor did Cuban inherit Gregg Popovich as his coach when he bought the team. Peter Holt never paid the luxury tax until this year. I would much rather have Cuban than Holt. Cuban has never spared any expense or effort to win a championship. As a Mavs fan, I cringe when he talks trash about how dirty the River Walk is or how he "hates" the Spurs, but I can see the forest for the trees.

But you're right: the Mavs were much better off when Ross Perot Jr. owned the team and he treated the basketball team as just another one of his holdings that he wanted to squeeze a profit out of.

[mavsfan1000]

Fire Carlisle.
Keep Nowitzki, Marion, Haywood, and Roddy. Everyone else can GTFO

[in2deep]

I watched the first two seconds of that clip and saw Skip Bayless on that panel, so I didn't watch it.

watch the first half. Skip talks at the end so you can close it then

[sonic21]

their biggest improvement would be to get a new owner

idiotic post. Not surprising though.

[Findog]

watch the first half. Skip talks at the end so you can close it then

Formulate an argument for yourself instead of telling me to watch ESPN. Tell me why Mark Cuban is a detriment to the Dallas Mavericks basketball team. I don't care if he says stupid like "I hate the Spurs" or "The River Walk is dirty" or plays the part of a heel like the NBA is professional wrestling. I wish he didn't, but that's not his personality. Mark Cuban has no bearing on how the players play or how the coaches and scouts ins ute a game plan.

[in2deep]

Formulate an argument for yourself instead of telling me to watch ESPN. Tell me why Mark Cuban is a detriment to the Dallas Mavericks basketball team. I don't care if he says stupid like "I hate the Spurs" or "The River Walk is dirty" or plays the part of a heel like the NBA is professional wrestling. I wish he didn't, but that's not his personality. Mark Cuban has no bearing on how the players play or how the coaches and scouts ins ute a game plan.

like someone else said. Him sitting right behind Mavs bench and shouting at teamates, officials, and his own players is detrimental to the Mavs.

Imagine your boss sitting right behind you and yelling while you work. That is assuming you have a job.

oh and BTW, if you don't think Cuban saying he hates the Spurs didn't help a little to ignite the Spurs, you are naive

[nkdlunch]

Bingo! that is exactly what i was talking about.

who would like their boss sitting and getting all emotional while you work. Be professional ing idiot Cuban.

Cuban treats this as his hobby and entertainment, he does not see this as a professional compe ion, if the owner treats it like this, not surprised the players and coaches also treat is as a joke.

[Findog]

like someone else said. Him sitting right behind Mavs bench and shouting at teamates, officials, and his own players is detrimental to the Mavs.

Have you ever seen Mark Cuban wade into the middle of a huddle and instruct the players instead of the coaches? Have you ever seen Mark Cuban scream at his players? Do you have proof that his yelling at the refs causes the refs to put aside their professionalism and screw the Mavs out of calls?

oh and BTW, if you don't think Cuban saying he hates the Spurs helped a little ignite the Spurs, you are naive

Yeah, the Spurs didn't decide to try and win the series until he said that. Great reasoning.

[Findog]

Bingo! that is exactly what i was talking about.

who would like their boss sitting and getting all emotional while you work. Be professional ing idiot Cuban

So the reason the Mavs are losing this series is because Mark Cuban yells at the refs, and not because Gregg Popovich has been coaching circles around Rick Carlisle, and the San Antonio guard rotation (Parker, Manu, Hill) has been much superior to Dallas (Kidd, Terry, Barea). Got it. Great take!

[nkdlunch]

Have you ever seen Mark Cuban scream at his players?

Many times.

Do you have proof that his yelling at the refs causes the refs to put aside their professionalism and screw the Mavs out of calls?

he is looking at a ref and screaming on national TV.

Yeah, the Spurs didn't decide to try and win the series until he said that. Great reasoning.

I think the point is, Spurs got alittle more motivated.

[nkdlunch]

So the reason the Mavs are losing this series is because Mark Cuban yells at the refs, and not because Gregg Popovich has been coaching circles around Rick Carlisle, and the San Antonio guard rotation (Parker, Manu, Hill) has been much superior to Dallas (Kidd, Terry, Barea). Got it. Great take!

no I didn't say that. I said Cuban acting more professional and shuttingup would be a great start to mavericks improving.

[monosylab1k]

Findog if you don't think Mark Cuban hasn't give the Spurs some form of bulletin board material, you're crazy. It's not the main reason they're winning the series, but it never hurts to have a little extra motivation and Mark was more than happy to give it to them.

I wonder why he made those "I hate the Spurs" comments this year. tbh I think it's because the Mavs were favored and he, like alot of other "experts", had the Mavs winning this thing for sure. He sure wasn't talking a year ago when the Mavs were the underdogs.

[Findog]

no I didn't say that. I said Cuban acting more professional and shuttingup would be a great start to mavericks improving.

I wish he would calm down too, but it has no bearing on W's and L's. Some of what he does is embarrassing, but he's a fantastic owner. He deserves a lot of credit for making the NBA and pro basketball relevant again in Dallas. Twelve years ago a good year for the Mavs would've been challenging for a playoff spot. Now going home in the first round is considered disappointing and a bad year.

If those BSPN idiots are holding up this series as proof that Cuban has an effect on W's and L's, other than the personnel decisions by Donnie and Rick that he has signed off on, then they don't know what they're talking about.

[Findog]

Findog if you don't think Mark Cuban hasn't give the Spurs some form of bulletin board material, you're crazy. It's not the main reason they're winning the series, but it never hurts to have a little extra motivation and Mark was more than happy to give it to them.

Yeah, he gave them "bulletin board material." So what? It's not the main reason they're winning the series; it's not in any way a factor as to why they're winning the series. All his comments have served to do is make it extra sweet when the Spurs get revenge for 2006 and 2009. They were plenty motivated coming in.

I wonder why he made those "I hate the Spurs" comments this year. tbh I think it's because the Mavs were favored and he, like alot of other "experts", had the Mavs winning this thing for sure. He sure wasn't talking a year ago when the Mavs were the underdogs.

Because as a fan, he's a y jackass. And he'll have to live with people laughing at him and his team for running his mouth when the Spurs inevitably win this series. But to say it has had any bearing on what has happened out on the court, I just can't get behind that idea at all.

[monosylab1k]

Yeah, he gave them "bulletin board material." So what? It's not the main reason they're winning the series, it's not in any way a factor as to why they're winning the series. All his comments have served to do is make it extra sweet when the Spurs get revenge for 2006 and 2009. They were plenty motivated coming in.

tbh I think the only reason you trivialize bulletin board material so much is because the Mavericks never have it and never use it. And they're always the ones giving it out.

[Findog]

It is my firm wish for Cuban to exhibit more humility when the Mavs only have a Western Conference championship to their resume during his tenure, but I don't think any of his playing the heel has an effect on what takes place on the court.

[Findog]

tbh I think the only reason you trivialize bulletin board material so much is because the Mavericks never have it and never use it. And they're always the ones giving it out.

"Bulletin board material" doesn't make teams player harder or better. I've always believed the tangible effect of "bulletin board material" is marginal to practically non-existent. If you need to read an article to get sufficient motivation to play better, you have problems. All it means is that when this series is over, the Spurs and their fans can utter witty bon mots like "I guess he just "hates" watching us advance while his team goes fishing."

[Shank]

Wasn't that "hate the Spurs" comment taken out of context in the first place?

[monosylab1k]

"Bulletin board material" doesn't make teams player harder or better. I've always believed the tangible effect of "bulletin board material" is marginal to practically non-existent. If you need to read an article to get sufficient motivation to play better, you have problems. All it means is that when this series is over, the Spurs and their fans can utter witty bon mots like "I guess he just "hates" watching us advance while his team goes fishing."

I guess that's the rationalization you have to make when the Mavs are always the team on the ass end of a series fueled with bulletin board material. Whether it's Cuban on Letterman/making the parade route in 06, tanking the final game against the Warriors and showing no respect in 07, or telling everyone how much he hates the Spurs now.......somehow the Mavs always seem to lose.

But you're right, it has nothing to do with bulletin board material. It's not like having the Mavs, or representatives of the Mavs, act like y assholes towards the other team might galvanize them or anything like that. I'm sure it's all just coincidence.

[Findog]

Wasn't that "hate the Spurs" comment taken out of context in the first place?

Stuff like that always is. Remember when the Mavs were "planning a parade" before winning the championship? And as it turns out, Laura Miller's office had made contingency plans for a parade and it leaked out, and the Mavs had nothing to do with it at all? And the narrative became "You guys need to win a le before planning the parade?"

[monosylab1k]

Stuff like that always is. Remember when the Mavs were "planning a parade" before winning the championship? And as it turns out, Laura Miller's office had made contingency plans for a parade and it leaked out, and the Mavs had nothing to do with it at all? And the narrative became "You guys need to win a le before planning the parade?"

why put a spin on that story? they planned the parade and looked re ed for doing it. end of story.

[SPURSCHAMP]

imagine dirk and manu, the two ultimate floppers

[monosylab1k]

Wasn't that "hate the Spurs" comment taken out of context in the first place?

Did the words "I hate the Spurs" have to come out of his piehole in any context? He can't just keep his ing mouth shut? Oh wait, it's Mark Cuban, no he can't.

[Findog]

Whether it's Cuban on Letterman/making the parade route in 06,

The Mavs had nothing to do with that. As somebody who considers himself a die-hard fan, you should know better than to accept that myth that the Mavs were "making parade plans before bothering to win the series." And you honestly believe that if Mark Cuban had not gone on Letterman, that the Mavs would've won the Finals? That's the argument you're making? Wow.

tanking the final game against the Warriors and showing no respect in 07, or telling everyone how much he hates the Spurs now.......somehow the Mavs always seem to lose.

Right, which is why we're looking at 10 straight first-round exits. We're the Houston Rockets. Dirk is a second-round virgin, just like T-Mac.

But you're right, it has nothing to do with bulletin board material. It's not like having the Mavs, or representatives of the Mavs, act like y assholes towards the other team might galvanize them or anything like that. I'm sure it's all just coincidence.

Bulletin-board material is something for fans to talk about. These two teams (Mavs and Spurs) hate each other already, and the Spurs in particularly were pretty fired up to avenge 2006 and 2009. That, along with Popovich PWNING Carlisle, and the San Antonio guards getting whatever they want, is why the Spurs are winning this series. What Cuban said has no bearing on anything. It's just something for some disappointed and angry Mavs fans to hash out because they're frustrated their team is down 3-1. Cuban was just as obnoxious and brash in 2006. Why weren't the Spurs "galvanized" and "motivated" enough to shut his ass up back then?

This is just something that is embarrassing and reflects poorly on the Mavs and Mavs fans because he talked and his team couldn't back it up. But if you're arguing that what he said has an effect on what actually takes place out on the court, that's hilarious.