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we already all know to a variable degree what you will post next.
no rush.
I guess when I said "abiogenesis" I was really thinking matter springing from non matter...
that is, unless matter has always been around
we already all know to a variable degree what you will post next.
no rush.
In that case I will read more and post less.
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Is that an alone sigh?
I believe the Big Bang Theory doesn't postulate matter from non-matter. Rather, the theory goes that all matter was supercondensed.
E = mc² postulates that matter is created from pure energy. Moments/minutes after the BB, energy was plentiful, but atoms (ie matter) hadnt been created.
It was too hot, too dense.
As it expanded, and therefore cooled, particles of energy (electrons, neutrons, etc) could coalesce into the basic elements we know and love today. Helium, Hydrogen and Lithium (iirc?).
The rest just takes time, chance and gravity.
what do you think sparked the big bang?
I'm guessing that God farted.
Come on people….. they’ve been finding the “missing link” for centuries now….. that don’t exist
its alot more than that. you still have to factor in dark energy and matter, which complicates things well beyond the realm of modern physics. look at Einstein's cosmological constant. we still need a theory of quantum gravity too...
Thanks for the clarification DR!
I have no clue, and right now I'm of the belief that the answer is beyond our ability to determine scientifically, and is moreso a philosophical question.
But if you're asking it as a comparison between self-starting Big Bang vs creator-started Big Bang, I'd ask the obvious question...
What started the Creator?
There's also the theory that the universe expands, the contracts, then expands, etc etc. I have no clue which theory is correct, and it's low on my totem pole of philosophical things to figure out.
its the arrival and leave of dark energy, which is about as consistent as quantum physics = not at all.I have no clue, and right now I'm of the belief that the answer is beyond our ability to determine scientifically, and is moreso a philosophical question.
But if you're asking it as a comparison between self-starting Big Bang vs creator-started Big Bang, I'd ask the obvious question...
What started the Creator?
There's also the theory that the universe expands, the contracts, then expands, etc etc. I have no clue which theory is correct, and it's low on my totem pole of philosophical things to figure out.
if you're implying there was a time before the Creator then youre philosophically (and scientifically) flawed because time is just another substance of the universe that did not come into being until it was created.
that's one of the obvious questions to be sure.
I don't see any philosophical problems with believing time existed before God.
You are assuming God has been around forever.
No offense, but you're assuming time (and/or all other dimensions) were created and haven't always been. There's no reason to do that.
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Oops. Kewpie doll for Blake.
einstein postulated that spacetime was created with the Big Bang, so don't take it up with me but with science.
attaway to jump to conclusions about my post. i said the Creator. a "creator" could be any phenomena like striking a match, thinking a thought, or like Tlong said, farting (though i doubt it)- that would set off a chain reaction.
soooo...i do have good reason to believe that time was created with the big bang until science can find a better alternative to the theory of general relativity and back it up with substantial evidence. until then, that's what i believe.
You're welcome to believe what you want, but time existed before the big bang even in the language of spacetime. It was incredibly compressed, but it existed.
from my understanding, the big bang was thought to be have happened out of a singularity, which defies the laws of modern physics (think of the core of a black hole). spacetime was created after the big bang when the right conditions arose.
eh trying to review for my cosmology final, so it's a good refresher. my professor resigned not too long ago as president of the American Astronomical Society, so he's really meticulous about details since he wrote my book...
I thought Reckoning was a kid around 16 years old?
thats next semester. i signed up for Troy Kimmel's class - the guy you hear giving weather forecasts on the Austin radio stations.
spacetime is a substance of the observed universe.
Philosophically speaking, time may have existed in a different manner before our universe came to existence.
Even in this post you say Creator with a capital 'C', which implies a being with purpose.attaway to jump to conclusions about my post. i said the Creator. a "creator" could be any phenomena like striking a match, thinking a thought, or like Tlong said, farting (though i doubt it)- that would set off a chain reaction.
Was it a random fart or a fart with purpose?
your philosophy cant be backed by mathematics and scientific observations, so i agree to disagree.
and saying "it may have existed" implies that you have faith in something that is intangible or unknown to you. it's a good thought but one that proves your hypocrisy in calling out "believers."
i capitalized Creator as a le because that's how English works - nothing more, nothing less.
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