Spill here, spill now

[RandomGuy]

RandomGuy,

This woman is your soulmate.



Did Gulf Oil Spill Cause Massive Tornado in Mississippi?


http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...do.html?cat=49

GMAFB

Can we go back to talking like adults now?

If all you have is "Randomguy and crazy woman sitting in a tree..."

YOU FAIL.

Don't get me wrong though, I actually like it when you post things like this, because of how badly you might hurt your cause when it comes to anybody who might be a fence sitter who stumbles into the conversation.

It makes the job of painting "right-wingers" as being either underhanded or incapable of rational, adult argument that much easier.

By all means, continue.

[DarrinS]

GMAFB

Can we go back to talking like adults now?

If all you have is "Randomguy and crazy woman sitting in a tree..."

YOU FAIL.

Don't get me wrong though, I actually like it when you post things like this, because of how badly you might hurt your cause when it comes to anybody who might be a fence sitter who stumbles into the conversation.

It makes the job of painting "right-wingers" as being either underhanded or incapable of rational, adult argument that much easier.

By all means, continue.

You environmental hysterics are very sensitive.

[RandomGuy]

You environmental hysterics are very sensitive.

Meh, I am all about cost-to-benefit. I am hardly "hysterical" when it comes to such topics, but if you want to keep up with that strawman, as I said before, keep it up.

I'm still waiting on you to tell me what the implications are of your sniglet.

RG would hate to know how much oil seeps naturally each year.

As much as two Exxon Valdez' worth each year just in the Gulf of Mexico.

What exactly are you trying to say here? I don't understand. Please enlighten me.

What does this fact mean?

[ChumpDumper]

This is an interesting tidbit:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_Oil_Point_seep_field



The Coal Oil Point seep field offshore from Santa Barbara, California is a petroleum seep area of about three square kilometers adjacent to the Ellwood Oil Field, and releases about 40 tons per day of methane and about 19 tons of reactive organic gas (ethane, propane, butane and higher hydrocarbons), about twice the hydrocarbon air pollution released by all the cars and trucks in the county in 1990.

Santa Barbara is not a large county in population, and the seep is pretty much the second largest in the world.

I don't know why Darrin is trying to use this as support for his pro oil spill position.

[RandomGuy]

Santa Barbara is not a large county in population, and the seep is pretty much the second largest in the world.

I don't know why Darrin is trying to use this as support for his pro oil spill position.

Because Fox News said so?

[ChumpDumper]

I guess he somehow wants to intimate that El Capitan Beach is permanently covered in oil just as if it came from the Valdez or a platform disaster.

Trust me, it isn't.

[ChumpDumper]

Look at all that oil that seeped up and washed ashore!

It happens every day!

[DarrinS]

Look at all that oil that seeped up and washed ashore!

It happens every day!

You'd never know it by looking at it now, but the Santa Barbara coastline was covered in oil 40 years ago.

[ChumpDumper]

You'd never know it by looking at it now, but the Santa Barbara coastline was covered in oil 40 years ago.

Was that because of daily natural seepage, Darrin?

Yes or no.

[DarrinS]

Was that because of daily natural seepage, Darrin?

Yes or no.

No.


Did I ever say natural seepage ended up on shore? Yes or no.

[jack sommerset]

LOL@ yes or no!!!!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

No.

What was it from?

Did I ever say natural seepage ended up on shore? Yes or no.

No.

But it does.

[DarrinS]

What was it from?


No.

But it does.

It was from a massive blowout on and oil platform. Did a lot of damage, none of which is visible now.

[ChumpDumper]

It was from a massive blowout on and oil platform. Did a lot of damage, none of which is visible now.

So we can pretend it did no harm according to you?

[DarrinS]

So we can pretend it did no harm according to you?

Did I say it did no harm? Yes or no.


I just don't think it's the end of the world, as RG apparently does.

[ChumpDumper]

Did I say it did no harm? Yes or no.


I just don't think it's the end of the world, as RG apparently does.

It's clear you are very pro oil spill.

[DarrinS]

It's clear you are very pro oil spill.

No, I'm pro human.


So far, the only people that have been hurt by this are the oil workers and their families.

[ChumpDumper]

You are also very comfortable trying to compare the current spill with one 40 years ago, conveniently leaving out the fact that the total amount spilled in the Santa Barbara disaster in over a week is being spilled in the Gulf every day.

[ChumpDumper]

No, I'm pro human.


So far, the only people that have been hurt by this are the oil workers and their families.

Ah, so you don't care at all about the environment.

Or the money spent dealing with this.

And you don't think any more humans will be affected by this.

No problem.

[CuckingFunt]

No, I'm pro human.

Those whose livelihoods depend upon the shrimp, oysters, crabs, and fish within the gulf are humans.

So far, the only people that have been hurt by this are the oil workers and their families.

Firstly, the "so far" is kind of an important bit, there.

And secondly, I find it hard to believe that someone who claimed to be pro-human would, within the same post, make a statement suggesting that the oil workers and their families were acceptable casualties.

[jack sommerset]

It's no big deal. Learn from the mistakes and keep DRILLING BABY! The world will keep going round and round.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

This oil spill is pissing me off to no end.

I'm amazed theres no way for them to simply shut the ing pipeline down. 200K gallons a day they say right? The ecological cost will be monumental

[ChumpDumper]

It's no big deal.

According to whom?

[Fabbs]

What I don't understand is why wasn't there an automatic shut-off valve on it? Is it such an old rig, it was before such safety features were implemented?

What caused the explosion? Is this possibly another environmentalist whacko attack to show such dangers, knowing this one had no automatic shut off valve, and only a manual one a mile down?

Think such a design would be allowed today? Technology changes. I will keep open the possibility this was effectively an environmentalist terrorist attack, planned because of the lifting of offshore development bans.

Yes, it could have possibly been an environmentalist whacko.
Are you also open the possibility that BP and their suck ups simply failed to take the proper and expected precautions?
Article in part, bolding and underlining mine:

Do ent: BP didn't plan for major oil spill

MOUTH OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER – British Petroleum downplayed the possibility of a catastrophic accident at an offshore rig that exploded, causing the worst U.S. spill in decades along the Gulf coast and endangering shoreline habitat.

In the 52-page exploration plan and environmental impact analysis, BP repeatedly suggested it was unlikely, or virtually impossible, for an accident to occur that would lead to a giant crude oil spill and serious damage to beaches, fish, mammals and fisheries.

BP's plan filed with the federal Minerals Management Service for the Deepwater Horizon well, dated February 2009, says repeatedly that it was "unlikely that an accidental surface or subsurface oil spill would occur from the proposed activities."

And while the company conceded that a spill would "cause impacts" to beaches, wildlife refuges and wilderness areas, it argued that "due to the distance to shore (48 miles) and the response capabilities that would be implemented, no significant adverse impacts are expected."

Robert Wiygul, an Ocean Springs, Miss.-based environmental lawyer and board member for the Gulf Restoration Network, said he doesn't see anything in the do ent that suggests BP addressed the kind of technology needed to control a spill at that depth of water.

"The point is, if you're going to be drilling in 5,000 feet of water for oil, you should have the ability to control what you're doing," he said.

Many of the more than two dozen lawsuits filed in the wake of the explosion claim it was caused when workers for oil services contractor Halliburton Inc. improperly capped the well. Halliburton denied it.

According to a 2007 study by the federal Minerals Management Service, which examined the 39 rig blowouts in the Gulf of Mexico between 1992 and 2006, cementing was a contributing factor in 18 of the incidents. In all the cases, gas seepage occurred during or after cementing of the well casing, the MMS said.

For days, crews have struggled without success to activate the well's underwater shutoff valve using remotely operated vehicles. They are also drilling a relief well in hopes of injecting mud and concrete to seal off the leak, but that could take three months.

At the rate the oil is pouring from the sea floor, the leak could eclipse the worst oil accident in U.S. history — the 11 million gallons that spilled from the supertanker Exxon Valdez off Alaska in 1989 — in just two months.

U.S. Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said he pressed the chief executive of BP to "work harder and faster and smarter to get the job done." He said the government will not rest until BP seals the well and "they clean up every drop of oil."

As for the cause of the accident, he said: "I am confident we will get to the bottom of what happened here. Those responsible will be held accountable."


Dr. Moby Solangi, the nonprofit center's director, said this is birthing season for the roughly 5,000 dolphins along the Mississippi and Louisiana coasts.

"It's very bad timing," he said. "We're looking at a colossal tragedy."

Ten sites that the American Bird Conservancy considers globally important bird areas are directly in the path of the oil slick, the group said.

"This spill spells disaster for birds in this region and beyond," said ABC President George Fenwick. "It is ironic that next weekend is International Migratory Bird Day. At a time when we should be celebrating the beauty and wonder of migratory birds, we could be mourning the worst environmental disaster in recent U.S. history."

Volunteers converged on the coast to offer help.
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Associated Press writers Michael Kunzelman, Chris Kahn, Allen G. Breed, Vicki Smith, Janet McConnaughey, Alan Sayre and Brian Skoloff contributed to this report.

[boutons_deux]

BP will obviously be sued for deaths and damages, but, like Exxon in Alaska, BP will fight in courts for years, even decades like Exxon, and finally the pro-business courts, 20 years later?, will reduce damages to a wrist slap compared to BP's profits.

It's just like BigPharma, writing off the fines from 10s of 1000s killed and sickened by their ty drugs, as simply an unavoidable cost of doing business. AstraZeneca just got hit with $500M+ fine for corrupting doctors. A wrist slap. Business as Usual, and the corruption will continue unabated.