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Manorge Hilnobili
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we had two x-factors in hill and dice
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The fact that thiis such a hard choice is a good sign for round 2. I just hope Manu truly is 100%, with that broken nose it's hard to believe.
Stats:
Tim Duncan- 18.2 ppg- 2.7 assts- 500 FG%- 486 FT%- 9.5 rbds.- .50 stls- 1 blks.- 2.83 TOs
Manu Ginobili- 19 ppg- 5 assts- 417 FG%- 323 3pt%- 872 FT%- 3.7 rbds.- 2.33 stls- .17 blks.- 2.67 TOs.
Tony Parker- 15.8 ppg- 5.7 assts- 470 FG%- 630 FT%- 3.7 rbds.- 1 stls- 1.83 TOs
George Hill- 14.3 ppg- .7 assts- 500 FG%- 500 3pt%- 824 FT%- 3.8 rbds.- 1.17 stls- .67 TOs
Antonio McDyess- 6.7 ppg- 1.2 assts- 541 FG%- 7 rbds- .17 stls- .83 blks.- 1.17 TOs-
I'll go with Tim for serie mvp.
I'll give the award of heart of the team to Manu. He is inspiring this team.
I'll give the consistency award to TP. He has been the most regular player of the 6 games.
I don't see how anyone could pick TD for MVP. He underwhelmed for the first series. On top of that, he shoots sub-500 on FT %. sheesh.
I mean, I'm a big fan, but c'mon...
Duncan's first three games set the tempo for the team (he was the best player on the game that won us the series: game 2 in Dallas), and his defensive presence was very important, and he shot 50% from the field.
Duncan and Manu > RJ on that game.RJ won the game in Dallas and he wasn't an option?
And do you really think somebody would have voted for him if I would have put him as an option?
but fans expect Tim to perform great... like 50% shooting, etc.
Looks like most of his stat line is below what is expected of him. I know he had a great game or two, but he had crap games too.
Why? He is averaging near 20 10 at 50% FG with one blk and 3 assists. He defended well all the serie, made clutch plays and he is still the boss.
Now I agree his FTs shooting is outrageous.
everybody except TP had crap games
I guess that's right...everybody except TP had crap games
hill's stats are better than what was realistically expected of him though...
50% FG%, even 50% on 3's, low TO's, 82.4% FTs... great stuff.
so the spurs lost when manu was on the court......
Hill, and it's not even close.
I understand the sentiment towards Parker, given the polarizing opinions on this board, but him playing well and hitting clutch shots doesn't make him the MVP; he was a necessary, vital cog to their success, but not the MVP -- Phoenix is his chance for that.
And as far as 'Dyess and Hill go, they're role-players. Granted, the Spurs don't win without them, but they're role-players. They did their job extremely well (for the most part) but neither commands the attention of the opposition or has a bigger impact on the game than Tim or Manu (yet, anyway, in the case of Hill).
Tim had two sub-par offensive performances, one average and three Playoff Tim's. Even with his defense taking a hit due to age and knee problems, he still remains the Spurs only true rim-deterrent and their biggest presence on that end; the Mavs still have to account for and game-plan for him on defense. Tim simply provides the foundation for those around him to thrive.
'Dyess was great on Dirk and even put up better block stats than Tim (slightly and that doesn't account for shots altered or not attempted), but don't do to Duncan what you believe is being done to Parker: overlook or take for granted (just because he wasn't as great as the impossible standard he's set).
Manu was the best player for the Spurs. He wasn't able to sustain the type of play he had to end the season, but the Mavs game-planned for him as if he was the head of the snake. He had spectacular play on both ends (at times) mixed in with a couple of really bad outings (both winding up as losses -- go figure), but his play-making and mere presence made everyone around him better. He put the Mavs on their collective heels, at times defensively, finished the series as the leading scorer and, as always, closed games for the Spurs at the line.
Again, it's my fat boy theory (Alone in his kiddie pool the water nears the brim. But it takes the addition of another kid or two for the brim to be breached -- to put the water over the top.), and Tim and Manu were the ones that put the team in position to have performances like Hill and 'Dyess' get them over the top -- not the other way around.
Tony just wasn't dominant enough offensively, or in the same role we're accustomed to seeing him in, to warrant the MVP for this series.
Dice didn't have crap games. And in game 4 TP didn't play well.
parker deserves more recognition so i voted for him. his ability to transition onto the bench and still hit some of the most clutch shots in the late game saved the spurs.
Hill scored less points than tony (-1.5 ppg), about the same FG %, same numbers of rebounds while having 4 assists for the whole serie when tony has 34 (ratio ass/TO: 3 for tony ; 1 for Hill).
for the defense, i would say equal. TP, as usual, was very solid in PO. Hill was the good defendor we know, even if, as usual again, largely overrated in that aspect of his game.
As for clutch shots, i think that TP probably made as much in that serie than the rest of the whole team.
so, to argue Hill > TP this serie is just laughable.
and you know what, Tim and Manu were probably even better than Tony for that serie. Hill was our fourth best guy, and that's amazing to have that from him.(i have to mention that Hill scoring, like Dice one, owes a lot to the attention asked by the big three on the offensive end).
The fact that the big 3 wasn't spectacular even if solid and that some role players really stepped up more than expected shouldn't lead to overreaction about the real level of the players involved.
That's why i don't like these threads on a side note.
I agree with this, but I voted timmy- he was huge in game 2, and stealing that game is what opened up the series IMO because it crushed the mavs confidence and gameplan. at the end of the day, tim is by far our best big man and that is where games are won and lost.
No MVP - team effort.
Manu. He's the only player who brought it every game. He's also the only Spurs player that hit any 3s besides Hill.
excellently true. Dirk was clearly the best player in this series, his team only ended up losing because the 2nd, 3rd and 4th best players of the series were all Spurs. Dirk deserves it more than anyone else, which is safe to say.
hard to pin it on one guy. a lot stepped up on different stages of the series.
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