Could it happen here?

[Nbadan]

So why all the uproar ? What's it all about ?

It's about being able to drive to Valero and not having to carry your birth certificate or Passport with you...you know, stuff the tea party claim to support...

[word]

100% bull . It's about a group wanting to increase their political clout by any means necessary.

[Nbadan]

100% bull . It's about a group wanting to increase their political clout by any means necessary.

Yeah, the Arizona GOP...they feel their power slipping away...I already told ya, once the border states turn blue, its game over for the GOP Nationally...

[word]

Maybe but this has got the support of 70% of Arizonans. Most of the illegals crossing into Arizona aren't staying there. If they did, Phoenix would be the size of LA. At least you were honest in your response as to what it is about. Like I said, Mexican first, American second.

[Nbadan]

Maybe but this has got the support of 70% of Arizonans. Most of the illegals crossing into Arizona aren't staying there. If they did, Phoenix would be the size of LA. At least you were honest in your response as to what it is about. Like I said, Mexican first, American second.

The Arizona GOP is very effective at blaming the states problem on immigrants, that's the same ole game plan politicians and monkey governments always use to justify restricting the citizen's freedoms, look at Germany pre-Hitler...

This game plan isn't new, very little is...

[word]

You can't possibly be equating Mexicans and latinos in the current scenario to Jews in 1930's Europe. Please tell me you're not doing that.

[Nbadan]

You can't possibly be equating Mexicans and latinos in the current scenario to Jews in 1930's Europe. Please tell me you're not doing that.

It's not about the Jews, its about Germany's treatment of all immigrants leading up to the Third Reich....

[word]

So that is your argument for having an open border ? Hitler ?

[Duff McCartney]

It means loyalty to nation, not race or country of origin. You're thinking in terms of 'culture'. That's not what I"m talking about. It has nothing, zip, to do with culture.

What it means is, a lot of latino's it seems, want to turn a blind eye to illegal immigration from mexico and latin America because they are 'latino'. This is a racial view to this issue. As I said in another thread, if millions of Haitans began pouring into Arizona and Socal and SA illegally and even legally, latinos would be up in ing arms. If you don't think so you're either a fool or a liar.

American culture is impossible to define ? American culture permeates the world. It is the most exported 'culture' in the world.

Hollywood, fast food, freeways, blue jeans, rock and roll, baseball, microsoft,
the space shuttle, going to the moon ie some of the best scientists in the world, new york, the grand canyon, D-day, pickup trucks, country western, jazz, hugh hefner, disneyland, Miami beach, LA, New Orleans, NFL, NBA ...muscle cars, chevrolet, apple pie, thanksgiving, college football, Boeing, the Hoover Dam, the Golden Gate Bridge... Vietnam, 911, Kennedy assassination, civil rights, slavery, the American revolution, the Alamo, PARIS ING HILTON...

There is no American culture ?

A culture is made up of history, failures and accomplishments, and the people who make it up. Every country has a culture, including us.

When did I say there was never American culture? Besides you're really gonna define American culture as Paris Hilton? Maybe that's pop culture but certainly not in 100 years when people define and remember what it means to be American will they say Paris Hilton.

Jazz is american culture? Where did jazz come from? Blacks descendents of slaves who were brought from Africa based on afro beats. Fast food based off of what? hamburgers? not American. Pizza, not American.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just wondering what it really means to be American when so many of our cultural things that you bring up have roots in different countries and ethnicities...thereby proving my point that it's a melting pot of so many different things.

[word]

So we agree that the taco is not culture.

[Nbadan]

So that is your argument for having an open border ? Hitler ?

It's the same old s game that govts. always play to hold power, blame the immigrant, blame the poor, blame the helpless... you know Hitler also repressed immigrants who were pure Arian blood....

This is a failure of unregulated Globalization which was supposed to make things better in Mexico so that Mexicans didn't need to come to the U.S. to find a good job at a decent days pay...

[word]

Let me ask all you open-borders this ....

As I referred to above...would you be for allowing 20 million Haitain immigrants into Arizona, Texas, and California ?

[word]

Thanks for playing because I already know the answer, whether you admit it or not.

[Nbadan]

Thanks for playing because I already know the answer, whether you admit it or not.

If your premise is that we are all as racists as that post appears to be that's a horrible fail...

[Duff McCartney]

So we agree that the taco is not culture.

I never argued that it was. I simply argued that there is no definition to what it means to be American.

[panic giraffe]

Like I said, Mexican first, American second.

you don't honestly believe that do you?
that's just ignorant.

i have no allegiance to mexico, why the would i or anyone in my family? we've been americans since that pussy santa ana ran for his life and gave up this land. so how could i be mexican first, and american second?

i even signed up to fight for MY country. like every generation in my family since the alamo.

this isn't about trying to flex any political muscle or "reconquista" or any bill o' taught you like that.

its about equality.

for the reasons above i'm just as, if not more of, an american than anyone else in this country. so why just because i have a shared cultural background with who the right (and fierce unionized left) view as "invaders" should i have to carry around a birth certificate or proof of citizenship? if it were to be equal then EVERYONE should be forced to the same check, but then where are all the civil libertarians screaming that it would create a police state?!? can't you see where this will lead if allowed unchecked?

[panic giraffe]

I never argued that it was. I simply argued that there is no definition to what it means to be American.

america isn't based on a shared culture or national iden y. its based on the ideal that we can all share a culture and a national iden y and pursue freedom as one.
you know the general premise of "all men created equal" yadda yadda.

besides all the things he named are influenced by past cultures, new orleans - the french, miami - cubans/general south/latin american cuture, etc. we're basically the modern roman empire or persian empire, we're a collection of different cultures united as one. even our states and regions within have their own culture, but they're still united in the general belief of freedom and liberty, both of which have no place in a "papers please?" type of regime, wouldn't you agree?

[panic giraffe]

Let me ask all you open-borders this ....

As I referred to above...would you be for allowing 20 million Haitain immigrants into Arizona, Texas, and California ?

i could care less, even less so if they are just as productive as any wave of first generation immigrant group.

but you are demonstrating the problem with the immigration issue in this country. you're turning an issue of nationalization into an issue of race, so at that point it's almost hopeless having this debate with you.

[word]

nationalization ?

And yeah, you would care you lying .

[word]

I never argued that it was. I simply argued that there is no definition to what it means to be American.

Go live in France or Russia or Saudi Arabia a few years. You'll recognize it when you get back. There is no american culture that can be defined...hmmph...what a bunch of loones.

[panic giraffe]

And yeah, you would care you lying .

yes because you honestly know me in real life.

go choke yourself while fingering your asshole to michael savage ignorant .

[word]

i have no allegiance to mexico, why the would i or anyone in my family? we've been americans since that pussy santa ana ran for his life and gave up this land.

This right here....

[word]

yes because you honestly know me in real life.

go choke yourself while fingering your asshole to michael savage ignorant .

Don't know who Michael Savage is so I guess I am ignorant about that. I don't watch much TV. Don't have fox or cnn so I'm not up on all the stars of the left and right. I read books. You should give it a shot sometime.

[panic giraffe]

This right here....

what does that have to do with my opinion of 20 million hatians or japanese or any other race coming to texas?

[panic giraffe]

Don't know who Michael Savage is so I guess I am ignorant about that. I don't watch much TV. Don't have fox or cnn so I'm not up on all the stars of the left and right. I read books. You should give it a shot sometime.

he isn't on tv, but whatever...just because he didn't ghostwrite palins book or whatever it is that you read...