timvp you were grading thinking "expected" pre series and after results, right?
Because otherwise i agree completely with bigfan, you've got to adjust for Manus broken beak. That was a series performance worthy of at least A-, maybe A and even A+ is not out of the picture.
Bonner. "Personally, the best news with Bonner is he didn't look as petrified as he appeared to be last year at this time. Perhaps that's a step in the right direction." It is, and yet how in the *&^% does this earn him a C-? When the most positive thing is "you stayed out of the way".
Look, we all hope he will sink a few of his treys. But to bank on this guy is insane. He should be 10th, 11th or 12th off the bench. Pops love affair with him, merely a lesser affair then Mrs. FinleyPop, is sickening. He steals minutes from.....
Blair. Who how does he get downgraded to B- for his few negatives that are FAR outweighed by his positives. That 11 minute stretch he got in Gm 3 (3?) was the absolute turnaround point for the Spurs. Besides his off the charts PER and continued per minute rebound animalism, little stuff that does not show up in stats like swatting a ball loose out of the hands of would-be Mav rebounder and swatting a salmon along the floor so another Spurs could get it (did not get credited with steal yet kept Mav from getting it and caused Spur to be able to retrieve), I've got Blair at rock bottom B+. Really an A imo.
No small note, Blairs work done almost exclusively at center with Matt Bonehead as his PF.
I'm not sure it's a really relevant stat...
Tony for instance was -12 (!!) in the game where he shot 3 clutch jumpers to close the win...
Manu can't be less productive than Mason...
It's just a stat that feed the talks, we can make them say ANYTHING...
Oh and by the way, RJ with a B+ ?!?!
WTF???? (14M$!!!!!!!!!)
I guess you expected NOTHING from him to give him such a good grade!!(better than Manu and Tim? equal to Tony?... really?)
Anyway thanks for the work, I really apreciate ready your opinion after each game! (and I missed your initial reactions of last game!)
If you actually read, you'd know that TimVP modified his expectations of Jefferson based on how he played during the regular season, which was horrible, obviously.
Yes I understood that, but even though.... really? B+?
What about asking Timvp to give the grades based on how they played during the PO games/serie. ONLY?
You can't compare RJ to his salary, he's just not good enough to deserve that salary. Blame the guy who gave it to him.Oh and by the way, RJ with a B+ ?!?!
WTF???? (14M$!!!!!!!!!)
I guess you expected NOTHING from him to give him such a good grade!!
Anyway thanks for the work, I really apreciate ready your opinion after each game! (and I missed your initial reactions of last game!)
And the guy(s) that TOOK it it they payroll...
Anyway to put an end on it, I would have gave him a B- ... at best!
He was usefull during this serie, but not better than Manu, Timmy and Tony (equal for him)!
That's all I was saying...
Man, ~ -7 PER for 2 players averaged over a stretch of 6 games? That's unreal. Mason should never suit up in a Spurs uniform again. And Bogans only in extreme desperation or in a huge blowout.
I rewatched the game last night. Agree with all the grades. Quite worried about Ginobili. Theres no doubt that the guy will be clutch even if he had one leg to stand on, but his whole game average shooting has been really worrying.
George Hill is amazing. Is this the real Hill? Is he just on fire? Does he have yet another level we have yet to see? It's the most interesting storyline of this postseason for The Spurs so far. After rewatching the game I find myself totally convinced that this is who Hill is.
We still had so many doubts about the guy coming into this season, it's incredible how well he's improved. RC Buford's selection of Hill absolves the Scola debacle. What an amazing under-the-radar pick.
But we may see Hill's performance decline cuz the Mavs are possibly the perfect matchup for him.
I could never give mcdyess an A+ after his 4 turnovers in the first quarter of game 5, we basically lost the game in the first 10 minutes, I don't what goes through his head when he tries to make a difficult pass or handle the ball, it was pathetic, he did play very well in the series but you can't singlehandedly lose games in the first quarter. Can't happen
Also disagree on Duncan analysis, when he has someone his size or bigger on him nowadays, he needs the double team to be effective. It was a smart decision for the mavs not to double when they did. It's also on pop and the PG if they're going to dump the ball to duncan in the post and stand around that's not going to work. I would have pic and rolled them to death not watch Tim shoot long fadeaways. Tim shooting against one man with bonner on the court also guaranteed that we would have no shot at a offensive rebound, which is another topic. If the suns are smart and lopez is playing they shouldn't double Duncan, which worries me
+1
That the main question I have about our team...
Now that everybody knows/talk about Hill, he is going to be watch/guard more closely by opposite teams and starting to feel the pressure of being expected ...
How he will respond is a mystery right now, we can only speculate...
He will sure have one or two bad games, but how he will respond is the X factor of the Spurs championship hopes..
I have a good feeling, but let's wait and see
Forget about game 5! THe team knew that between the pride, the crowd and the refs, we would have to close the serie at home...
It wasn't a must win!
That's the other thing.
We are relying on basically 3 bench players, while the Suns roll 10 deep every game.
It will be very easy for the Suns to focus on Hill, especially since Bonner can't be counted on to perform, and Blair is still a giant question mark.
On a positive side, Bonner, Mason, Bogans and in lesser degree Blair can ONLY be more productive that they have been until now...
Someone unexpected WILL HAVE to step up...
I can see Bonner having at least 1 big game (scoring wise), but you're right, we won't last long with only 6 guys... Unless Manu and/or Timmy and/or Tony play out of their mind the whole series...
I think STalkers are underating the Suns bench...
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If I see Mason on the court at all in the rest of the playoffs, and it's not garbage time, I'm gonna puke...
GH and Manu were co MVPs of the 1st round. GH had a lot of guts and Manu always plays with heart, needs to watch the TOs though. Dice was steady with the O and just great on the D ... I wasn't expecting him to play that great. RJ did pretty well defensively but you never know what you get offensively so I think his grade is a C or C+. I'm hoping bonner plays better against the Suns.
And Mason is total garbage.
+1
I still don't understand how the he became so bad...
He was so clutch last year during regular season!
I loved his release on the 3s, it seemed so easy for him at that time!
The player he has became is a mystery to me...
Roger Mason, Jr. -6.7
Keith Bogans -7.3
Wow. You'd think that even if they tried to, they couldn't put up these types of numbers.
At least one of these two has to at least resemble something close to an NBA player against the Suns. The series is every other day until game seven and even if the Spurs are successful at slowing the pace some, it still figures to be a relatively up-and-down series. In a few select games that the Spurs deem as must wins, they can probably get away without playing either, but in at least a couple of games in this series one of these two has to not kill this team and play an adequate eight-ten minutes.
Absolutely ridiculous.
Manu Ginobili
FIRST ROUND STATISTICS
Minutes: 33.2
Points: 19.0
Rebounds: 3.7
Assists: 5.0
Turnovers: 2.7
Steals: 2.3
FG%: .417
3P%: .323
FT%: .872
INSIDE THE NUMBERS
In the final four games, Manu Ginobili shot 31.5% (17-for-54) from the field and 16.7% (3-for-18) on three-point attempts. The first two contests saw make 58.1% (18-of-31) of his shots from the floor and 53.8% (7-of-13) of his threes.
ANALYSIS
If you look at Ginobili's numbers from the series, they don't stand out. However, those who watched the games know how important he was to San Antonio's cause. Before and after the broken nose, Ginobili attacked the rim and created shots (and space to operate) for those around him. He led the Spurs in scoring for the series and played rabid defense at times. When he took care of the ball, the Spurs won. In the two losses, he had nine turnovers. In the four wins, he had seven turnovers. All in all, it wasn't quite the legendary series from Ginobili I thought was needed but he did more than his fair share.
FIRST ROUND GRADE
B
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Richard Jefferson
FIRST ROUND STATISTICS
Minutes: 32.7
Points: 9.2
Rebounds: 4.3
Assists: 1.5
Turnovers: 1.7
FG%: .541
3P%: .250
FT%: .824
INSIDE THE NUMBERS
In four of the six games, Richard Jefferson had five or less field goal attempts. On the plus side, his field goal percentage (54.1%) and free throw percentage (82.4%) were both marked improvements from his regular season numbers (46.7% and 73.5%, respectively).
ANALYSIS
When you are spending more than $14 million on a player, you hope the player gives you more than 9.2 points and 4.3 rebounds per game over the course of a series. But due to lowered expectations after a disappointing regular season, I am pleased with how Jefferson played in the first round. His defense was mostly above average and he took advantage of the attempts he got offensively. Jefferson also pulled down a number of contested boards. All things considered, his vibe was more "selfless" than "passive" against the Mavs -- which allows for a blind eye to be turned toward his pedestrian statistics.
FIRST ROUND GRADE
B+
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*grades are based off of expectations heading into the series*
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