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Who is the best free agent 3 point shooter that we can afford?
I think it is realistic. the #28 pick as the price to move up 5 spots looks reasonable. maybe it would also be #20 and #49 for #25 and #28
(the Grizzlies don't own a 2nd rounder, might be intriguing for them to get a draft and stash prospect).
Who is the best free agent 3 point shooter that we can afford?
Assuming the Spurs save their MLE for Splitter, which they need to, then all they'll have is the BAE. You could probably get Raja Bell with that.
Michael Finley.
E. Williams and Devin Ebanks will sign with an agent, so they are also in for good. (I guess in Williams case this was announced already a week ago)
IMO there is a chance, that Williams is on the Spurs list, even if he isn't a SF. and I wouldn't be surprised if he is picked higher than projected. depends if teams think he can also run a team in a combo role. if they believe he can, he might climb to mid 1st round.
I'm guessing everyone here knows of the tier system in drafts. Any thoughts on what some tiers might be in this draft, To see if we can predict other teams behaviour.
I'd Guess:
Wall
Turner
Cousins/Favors
Aminu/Johnson/Davis/Aldrich/Monroe
Montejunas/Whiteside/Udoh/Patterson/Henry/Orton(10 ESPN, 13th in DX Mock)
James/Robinson/Hayward/Sanders/Bledsoe/Alabi
George/Pondexter/Bradley/Babbitt/Warren/Dom Jones/J Anderson
Ebanks/Williams/Seraphin/Lawal/Terrico White
Probably fairly rough, and after the Montejunas et al Tier the next 2 tiers could be 1, could be 3. Just to get debate.
my guess is, the number of players in the same tire needs to be limited. if the tire is really used as the major tool for draft night, it doesn't help the team if there are still 7 or 8 players in the same tire. I don't know much about it, but I would guess the teams will try to work out a tire list with not more than (my guess) 3 or 4 players in the same tire.
Agree on the size of the tiers being limited, though I don't know if the consensus on where the split is has happened yet.(Other than possibly the top 9 guys.) I went primarily on DX rankings and the ESPN 100, but even they have quite different rankings on some players. Also, While nbadraft.net isn't as good, they are another POV that can help(E.g, Having Rose as #1 prospect coming into the 08 draft Year, DX had Mayo 1). Also, if there are 2 people at the same position in a tier, they would have to have significant differences so a question of fit would be involved. (Shooter vs Slasher, Perimeter Big vs Interior big etc).
IMO the tire system does only work for one specific team. (in our case the Spurs of course). one team might have a player in tire 4 while the other team has him in tire 6, maybe based only on the estimated fit on the respective team.
btw. could you post the top 100?
If this isn't OK to show, people can delete parts I guess. I wanted just a simple list, but I just copy and pasted.
ESPN Top 100
http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/...ear=2010&set=0
http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/...ear=2010&set=1
http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/...ear=2010&set=2
http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/...ear=2010&set=3
http://insider.espn.go.com/nbadraft/...ear=2010&set=4
RK Player AGE POS HT WT SCHOOL/COUNtrY PROJECTION
1 John Wall 19 PG 6-4 185 Kentucky No. 1 pick
Apr 7 Update: Wall announced he's declaring for the 2010 NBA Draft. Wall is ... more
2 Evan Turner 21 SG 6-7 205 Ohio State Top 2
Apr 7 Update: Turner has declared for the April 7th draft. The best college ... more
3 Derrick Favors 18 PF 6-9 215 Georgia Tech Top 5
Apr 9 Update: Favors came into the season ranked as the second best prospect ... more
4 DeMarcus Cousins 19 C 6-11 260 Kentucky Top 5
Apr 7 Update: Cousins was the most productive big man, per minute, in college ... more
5 Wesley Johnson 22 SF 6-7 198 Syracuse Top 5
April 12 Update: Johnson was the breakout player of the year this season. After ... more
6 Al-Farouq Aminu 19 SF 6-8 205 Wake Forest Top 10
Apr 1 Update: Aminu has declared for the draft. He has all the physical ... more
7 Ed Davis 20 PF 6-10 215 North Carolina Top 10
Apr 12 Update: Davis didn't quite live up to the hype he generated last ... more
8 Cole Aldrich 21 C 6-11 245 Kansas Top 10
March 29 Update: Aldrich announced on March 29th that he is declaring for the ... more
9 Greg Monroe 19 PF 6-11 250 Georgetown Lottery
April 17 Update: Monroe's draft stock has been all over the place this year. ... more
10 Daniel Orton 19 C 6-10 260 Kentucky Lottery
Apr 27 Update: On one hand, Orton should absolutely stay in the draft. Most ... more
11 Ekpe Udoh 22 PF 6-10 240 Baylor Lottery
Apr 27 Update: Udoh had a breakout season and saw his stock rise dramatically. ... more
12 Hassan Whiteside 20 C 6-11 225 Marshall Lottery
Mar 29 Update: It looks like Whiteside will declare for the 2010 NBA Draft. ... more
13 Donatas Motiejunas 19 PF 7-0 220 Lithuania Lottery
April 23 Update: Montiejunas has declared for the draft. Over the course of the ... more
14 Patrick Patterson 21 PF 6-8 245 Kentucky Late lottery to mid first round
Apr 7 Update: Patterson was expected to be the veteran leader of this Kentucky ... more
15 Xavier Henry 19 SG 6-7 220 Kansas Late lottery to mid first round
Apr 7 Update: Henry is an all-purpose swingman with an NBA body and deep ... more
16 Eric Bledsoe 20 PG 6-1 190 Kentucky Late lottery to mid first round
Apr 27 Update: Bledsoe also didn't have a huge season. However, at times he ... more
17 Gordon Hayward 20 SF 6-8 200 Butler Late lottery to mid first round
Apr 27 Update: Hayward is another hot name who should probably capitalize on his ... more
18 James Anderson 21 SG 6-6 195 Oklahoma State Mid to late first round
Apr 1 Update: Anderson had a terrific junior year, but scouts are all over ... more
19 Damion James 22 SF 6-8 224 Texas Mid to late first round
Mar 22 Update: James had a great senior season but went out with a ... more
20 Solomon Alabi 22 C 7-1 245 Florida State Late lottery to mid first round
Apr 23 Update: Alabi came into the season ranked as a potential Top 10 ... more
21 Avery Bradley 19 SG 6-3 180 Texas Late lottery to mid first round
Apr 30 Update, by Fran Fraschilla: By all accounts, Bradley is a great kid ... more
22 Luke Babbitt 20 SF 6-9 220 Nevada Mid to late first round
Apr 20 Update: Babbitt has a lot of fans, probably more than is reflected ... more
23 Paul George 20 SF 6-7 185 Fresno State Late lottery to mid first round
Mar 30 Update: George may not have played on the biggest stage in college, ... more
24 Kenneth Faried 20 PF 6-8 215 Morehead State Late first to early second
Mar 31 Update: Faried combines a relentless motor with terrific athleticism and toughness to ... more
25 Larry Sanders 21 PF 6-10 220 VA Commonwealth Late lottery to mid first round
April 10 Update: Sanders is a long, athletic shot-blocker and rebounder who has improved ... more
26 Quincy Pondexter 22 SF 6-7 220 Washington Mid to late first round
Mar 22 Update: Pondexter has had a terrific senior season. However, scouts are always ... more
27 Terrico White 20 SG 6-5 211 Mississippi Mid to late first round
Apr 30 Update, by Fran Fraschilla: There is no doubting White's talent and his ... more
28 Willie Warren 20 PG 6-4 210 Oklahoma Mid to late first round
Apr 8 Update: Warren began the year as a projected Top 5 pick in ... more
29 Devin Ebanks 20 SF 6-9 205 West Virginia Mid to late first round
Apr 30 Update, by Fran Fraschilla: Ebanks is a guy who could benefit from ... more
30 Kevin Seraphin 20 PF 6-10 258 France Late first to early second
April 23 Update: Seraphin is declaring for the draft. He didn't have the breakout ... more
31 Dominique Jones 21 SG 6-4 205 South Florida Late first to early second
Mar 23 Update: Jones announced on Mar 23 that he was declaring for the ... more
32 Stanley Robinson 21 SF 6-9 215 Connecticut Mid to late first round
Mar 12 Update: Robinson is an athletic freak who posted the best individual numbers ... more
33 Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Lu ck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_Luck_The_Fakers_ Williams 20 SG 6-4 180 Memphis Late first to early second
Apr 13 Update: Williams didn't surprise with his announcement to declare for the draft. ... more
34 Darington Hobson 22 SF 6-7 205 New Mexico Late first to early second
Apr 27 Update: Hobson is currently on the first-round bubble. That's usually a good ... more
35 Jordan Crawford 21 SG 6-4 195 Xavier Late first to early second
Apr 30 Update: Crawford scores like most people breathe but, for a while early ... more
36 Robin Benzing 21 SF 6-10 210 Germany Late first to early second
Feb 9 Update: Benzing made his presence known at the European under-20s this past ... more
37 Gani Lawal 20 PF 6-9 229 Georgia Tech Late first to early second
Apr 5 Update: Lawal has the talent to play in the league, but his ... more
38 Armon Johnson 21 PG 6-3 195 Nevada Late first to early second
Apr 9 Update: Johnson currently ranks at the fifth best point guard in our ... more
39 Jerome Jordan 23 C 7-0 235 Tulsa Late first to early second
Feb. 17 Update, by Fran Fraschilla: No one is really talking about Jordan and ... more
40 Jarvis Varnado 22 PF 6-9 210 Mississippi St. Late first to early second
Mar 12 Update: Scouts have seen him for four years and should have a ... more
41 JaJuan Johnson 21 PF 6-10 215 Purdue Late first to early second
Apr 27 Update: Johnson had a nice season at Purdue, but his lack of ... more
42 Craig Brackins 22 PF 6-10 230 Iowa State Late first to early second
Mar 22 Update A potential late lottery pick last season, Brackins has struggled to ... more
43 Arnett Moultrie 19 PF 6-11 225 UTEP Second round to undrafted
Apr 27 Update: Moultrie has NBA talent. But he had a very sketchy season. ... more
44 Dexter Pittman 22 C 6-10 285 Texas Late first to early second
Feb 4 Update, by David Thorpe: The hardest thing for NBA personnel to do ... more
45 Jimmer Fredette 21 PG 6-2 195 BYU Second round to undrafted
Apr 27 Update: Fredette became a hot name late in the season and lived ... more
46 Trevor Booker 22 PF 6-7 240 Clemson Late first to early second
Jan 26 Update: Over the course of the past month, Booker is playing like ... more
47 Miroslav Raduljica 22 C 7-1 250 Serbia Late first to early second
Apr 23 Update: Raduljica has been on the NBA radar screen for years. He ... more
48 Manny Harris 20 SG 6-5 185 Michigan Second round to undrafted
Apr 27 Update: Harris has terrific skills, but he's still maturing as a basketball ... more
49 Brian Zoubek 22 C 7-1 260 Duke Second round to undrafted
Apr 6 Update: Zoubek hasn't done much of anything in his career. Even as ... more
50 Artsiom Parakhouski 22 C 6-11 260 Radford Second round to undrafted
Dec 15 Update: Parakhouski may play for a small school, but he continues to ... more
51 Sherron Collins 23 PG 5-11 200 Kansas Late first to early second
Mar 22 Update: Collins was terrible when Kansas needed him most. After bailing out ... more
52 Sylven Landesberg 20 SG 6-6 202 Virginia Late first to early second
Mar 23 Update: Landesberg announced on Mar 23 that he was declaring for the ... more
53 Pablo Aguilar 21 SF 6-8 210 Spain Second round to undrafted
April 23 Update: Aguilar has been on the NBA radar screen for a while. ... more
54 Da'Sean Butler 22 SF 6-7 225 West Virginia Second round to undrafted
Apr 6 Update: I hate writing this after all Butler achieved this season. He's ... more
55 Lance Stephenson 19 SG 6-6 200 Cincinnati Second round to undrafted
Apr 7 Update: Stephenson came into college with a rep as a big-time scorer ... more
56 Tibor Pleiss 20 C 7-0 220 Germany Second round to undrafted
Apr 20 Update: Pleiss has a lot of NBA potential. He needs to get ... more
57 Ryan Richards 19 PF 6-11 235 England Second round to undrafted
Apr 21 Update: Richard's decision to declare for the draft doesn't come as a ... more
58 Malcolm Delaney 21 PG 6-3 170 Virginia Tech Second round to undrafted
Apr 13 Update: Delaney is coming off a big year at Virginia Tech. He's ... more
59 Jon Scheyer 22 SG 6-5 180 Duke Second round to undrafted
Dec 18 Update: No senior point guard is having a better season than Duke's ... more
60 Mikhail Torrance 21 PG 6-5 210 Alabama Second round to undrafted
April 12 Update: Torrance was one of the few players to help themselves at ... more
61 Matt Bouldin 22 PG 6-5 210 Gonzaga Second round to undrafted
Feb. 17 Update, by Fran Fraschilla: Bouldin is one of the most complete guards ... more
62 Alexy Shved 21 SG 6-7 170 Russia Second round to undrafted
Apr 23 Update: After languishing on CSKA's bench for several years, Shved finally got ... more
63 Charles Garcia 21 PF 6-9 220 Seattle U Second round to undrafted
Mar 9 Update: Garcia has declared for the 2010 NBA Draft, and the move ... more
64 Ben Uzoh 22 PG 6-3 200 Tulsa Second round to undrafted
Feb 16 Update: It's hard to call seniors sleepers, but here's a name that ... more
65 Nemanja Bjelica 21 SF 6-10 210 Serbia Second round to undrafted
Apr 23 Update: Bjelica had another solid season and is an intriguing prospect to ... more
66 Keith Gallon 19 PF 6-9 300 Oklahoma Second round to undrafted
Apr 20 Update: Gallon had a solid freshman season, but also struggled to fit ... more
67 Latavious Williams 21 SF 6-8 20 NBDL Second round to undrafted
Apr 20 Update: Williams is a player who clearly benefitted from the NBA rules ... more
68 Luke Harangody 22 PF 6-8 240 Notre Dame Second round to undrafted
Mar 22 Update: For a guy who has been a consistent beast on the ... more
69 Omar Samhan 21 C 6-11 265 St. Mary's (CA) Second round to undrafted
Mar 29 Update: Samhan was everyone's Cinderella after he dropped 29 points and 12 ... more
70 Elijah Millsap 22 SG 6-6 218 UAB Second round to undrafted
April 13 Update: The brother of Utah Jazz forward Paul Millsap has had a ... more
71 Mac Koshwal 23 C 6-10 255 DePaul Second round to undrafted
April 13 Update: Koshwal entered the NBA Draft and withdrew last spring, so this ... more
72 Herb Pope 21 PF 6-8 235 Seton Hall Second round to undrafted
March 29 Update: Pope announced on March 29 that he was declaring for the ... more
73 Andy Rautins 23 SG 6-4 195 Syracuse Second round to undrafted
Mar 29 Update: Rautins has a skill that NBA GMs covet. He's a terrific ... more
74 Marqus Blakely 21 PF 6-6 225 Vermont Second round to undrafted
Mar 22 Update: Blakely isn't a household name, but NBA scouts like him. He ... more
75 Demetri McCamey 21 PG 6-3 200 Illinois Second round to undrafted
April 11 Update: McCarmey is a big, physical combo guard who has deep, albeit ... more
76 Scottie Reynolds 22 PG 6-2 195 Villanova Second round to undrafted
Mar 22 Update: Reynolds spent much of his senior year trying to prove to ... more
77 Andrew Ogilvy 21 C 6-11 250 Vanderbilt Second round to undrafted
Apr 8 Update: Ogilvy is a skilled big man with an old school game. ... more
78 Greivis Vasquez 23 SG 6-6 197 Maryland Second round to undrafted
Mar 22 Update: Vasquez is coming off a terrific senior season where he increased ... more
79 Vladimir Dasic 21 PF 6-9 225 Serbia Second round to undrafted
Feb 8 Update: Dasic always has looked the part of an NBA player. He's ... more
80 Stefan Markovic 22 PG 6-6 210 Serbia Second round to undrafted
Feb 8 Update: Markovic turned some heads at the 2009 Reebok Eurocamp and has ... more
1 Derrick Caracter 22 PF 6-9 286 UTEP Second round to undrafted
Apr 13 Update: Caracter had a very strong season at UTEP and tried to ... more
82 Mindaugas Kuzminskas 20 SF 6-9 215 Lithuania Second round to undrafted
April 20 Update: Kuzminskas isn't ready for the NBA. But as far as young ... more
83 Dwayne Collins 22 PF 6-8 240 Miami Second round to undrafted
April 9 Update: Collins has a NBA body and strength, but his numbers at ... more
84 Antoine Diot 21 PG 6-3 190 France Second round to undrafted
April 22 Update: Diot is a big guard who can play both positions int ... more
85 Samardo Samuels 21 PF 6-8 245 Louisville Second round to undrafted
April 20 Update: Samuels was one of the top prep players in the country ... more
86 Michael Washington 23 PF 6-9 240 Arkansas Second round to undrafted
Mar 7 Update: Washington had a disappointing senior season. He was unable to match ... more
87 Tyler Smith 23 SF 6-6 212 Tennessee Second round to undrafted
Jan 12 Update: Smith has watched his draft stock sink ever since it crested ... more
88 Courtney Fortson 21 PG 5-11 180 Arkansas Second round to undrafted
April 22 Update: Fortson is an athletic point guard who has an uncanny ability ... more
89 Tracy Smith 22 PF 6-8 247 NC State Second round to undrafted
April 29 Update Smith is a physical four who isn't afraid to bang. He's ... more
90 Paulao Prestes 22 C 6-10 265 Brazil Second round to undrafted
April 9 Update: Prestes continues to be what he is. A big, strong prospect ... more
91 Jerome Dyson 23 SG 6-3 180 Connecticut Second round to undrafted
Jan 26 Update: As a freshman he had the rep as a player who ... more
92 Jerome Randle 22 PG 5-10 160 California Second round to undrafted
April 12 Update: Randle used his speed to impress scouts at the Portsmouth Invitational. ... more
93 Jeremy Lin 23 PG 6-2 180 Harvard Second round to undrafted
Dec 11 Update: Keep an eye on Harvard's Jeremy Lin. We mentioned him last ... more
94 Tyren Johnson 21 SF 6-8 204 Louisiana Lafayette Second round to undrafted
April 12 Update: This year, there weren't many standouts at the Portsmouth Invitational according ... more
95 Jeremy Hazell 24 SG 6-5 185 Seton Hall Second round to undrafted
Apr 5 Update: One of the most prolific scorers in the country, Hazell is ... more
96 Bojan Bogdanovic 21 SF 6-7 200 Serbia Second round to undrafted
April 20 Update: Bogdanovic has some fans among NBA scouts. He's a skilled forward ... more
97 Ludovic Vaty 21 PF 6-9 220 France Second round to undrafted
Apr 24 Update: He's got the body and the athleticism, but is still very ... more
98 Lavoy Allen PF 6-9 225 Temple Second round to undrafted
April 23 Update: Allen has talent. No one questions that. But he his so-so ... more
99 Mamadou Samb 20 PF 6-10 190 Senegal Second round to undrafted
April 24 Update: Samb is a talent that NBA scouts have been watching for ... more
100 Mike Davis 21 PF 6-9 210 Illinois Second round to undrafted
Apr 19 Update: Davis is a solid rebounder who can score from inside and ... more
thanks jesterbobman!
So there are 9 players who can play SF (Spurs biggest need) projected between the 15th and 30th picks:
- Xavier Henry
- Damion James
- James Anderson
- Gordon Hayward
- Stanley Robinson
- Paul George
- Luke Babbitt
- Quincy Pondexter
- Devin Ebanks
That's a lot of choice and these players have very different skill sets. Odds are good that Spurs find someone they really like at #20.
I would add Darington Hobson to that list.
he isn't rated a 1st rounder by most mocks, but I have the gut feeling he might be one of those taken higher than projected.
his skill set just is to unique and intriguing to ignore, despite his athletic limitations. if Dudley can become a decent rotation player on a very good team, Hobson might be able to have the same success in the right place.
Just looked up stats: There is a big man prospect who is a phenomenal Shotblocker and shot 60% from 3.
Hassan Whiteside!!!(3-5, and thus non significant)
(EDIT Unintentionally posted early)
In terms of the need, I think shooters will be a priority, even if De Colo comes over. I'd say of the semi-realistic options, Henry fills a big 2/Small 3 need and is already a great shooter. Wes Johnson would be perfect, but obviously unobtainable(I think 8 is his floor, and we coudn't trade up).
Damion James shot Well enough and is good enough both an athletic 3 and a stretch the floor 4, but may be gone. Hayward can do both if his shooting is more Freshman than Sop re.
I think I'm questioning whether the Spurs are just looking to draft a backup SF, or someone who can do both the SF and Stretch 4 roles? If they are, that would put out Henry.
Last edited by jesterbobman; 05-06-2010 at 05:31 AM.
no. if Henry is still there at #20, he will be as much a Spurs candidate as any player. we discussed it before, I guess we can assume that Henry is ranked by the Spurs in a higher tire than most of the bigger SFs or the combo forwards. if he is there, I would say almost sure fire the Spurs pick him. (btw. he does fill a big need with Finley gone and Bogans and Mason not exactly looking like players to bring back)
No way Henry is around at 20.
Another positive is that Hayward is staying in the draft.
It's a good year for the needs we have. Might even be worth trading for another pick given the type of talent available.
Chad Ford of ESPN released his first mock draft...and while he freely admits nothing definite can be determined this early, it's probably a decent indication of draft stock. The only thing that bugs me is he listed the Spurs with the 21st pick, not the 20th...guess he was going off playoff seeding and not the coin flips.
Still, he had the Spurs taking Damion James. Here's the blip on him and why the Spurs might take him...
I don't see how his athleticism and motor are any better than Pondexter, who Chad still has available, but I can see the pick.Analysis: James might be one of the more underrated players in the draft. Very few players have his combination of athleticism and motor. He doesn't have a position on offense, but he's a Spurs type of player all the way.
EDIT: The draft order has been fixed on ESPN, but the pick is the same.
I really don't like Damion James there at all.
Same here...not with Pondexter and George still on the board. Even if he develops a stand-still 3pt shot, he's still a role player with no real position.
I think his upside is Mbah a Moute.
Agreed. And even for all his no-frills kind of play, I think I'd take Luke Babbitt before Damion James as well.
Actually, I have a tingly feeling that the Spurs are going to target Babbitt regardless.
After this series, I think a bunch of shooters just shot (pun intended) up the Spurs' draft board. Guys like Henry, Anderson, Hayward, Babbitt and maybe George make a lot of sense for a team with suddenly little depth of players with natural shooting ability.
-Do you guys think it's certain that the Spurs will actually look to draft somebody that will help right away?..
With the financial situation, instead of paying the rookie, wouldn't it make some sense for the Spurs' FO to decide to stash somebody away or trade the pick?..I'm not in favor at all, but I wouldn't rule it out..
-Do you guys think the fact that the Spurs have loaded up on D-League players + De Colo on cheap contracts is about having low-risk/high-reward options, or do you think it means they're going to be looking at those guys as the "rookies" for next year instead of drafting somebody in the 1st?..
The Spurs have 6 players under contract next year (7 if RJ opts in to his final year). That leaves no less than 6 (if RJ opts in) positions that must be filled for the Spurs to be a the league-minimum for roster spots, 13.
They could decide to re-up guys like Mason, Bogans, Bonner and Mahinmi...but given how those guys didn't take them to the top this year it's unlikely they get more chances to do so. The Spurs also have some non-guaranteed players (Jerrells, Hairston, Gee), but it'd be nice for them to get some compe ion for PT or even roster spots.
And given that they've tabbed the majority of their payroll to bring over one or two players (Splitter, De Colo?, Bell?), I think it makes alot of sense for the Spurs to address the rest via the draft.
I'll go one step further...if RJ opts out, I think it's likely the Spurs try to pick up multiple picks in this draft and look to fill holes almost immediately.
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