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The conquistas pretty much were government programs themselves.
You are correct, The Americas were diecovered much earlier but as you well know the victors write the history. So the Europeans discovered the Americas becasue God wanted them to come and Cristianize the savage heathens occupying it. Those heathens died due th their sins and God rightfully and graciously gave the new land to his chosen people.
As for "germ warfare" they did indeeed cough a few times and casue some death but there is another theory about why there was such a massive extinction of the native population. Virus. Years of extreme drought followed by years of extreme wetness caused a virus to attack the food sources of the New World. Of the approx. 20 miilion natives at the time of the Spanish conquest beginning in 1521 approx. 2.5 - 3 million died between 1540 - 1545 and another 15+ million between 1580 - 1580. Both times periods followed the above weather pattern - dry then wet. And this has lead some historians that believe that it wasn't neccessarily "germ warfare" by the Europeans that was the main culprit. I tend to agree since if it was "germ warfare" then why the time lapse? Why did it take that many years to effect the native population and why were the majority effective in those two particular time frames?
Though interesting to know it has absolutely no effect on who we are today. That issue is a dead horse and anyone who has a problem with it needs to get over it. It isn't going back to what it was. No mulligans can be played.
But seriusly what is the point here?
When viewing this issue at what point in history do you stop and draw the line? Say we stop in 1000 AD so all the conquests prior are legitimate?
Empires, countries, cultures...etc have come and go over thousands of years. All continents are essentially melting pots to a certain degree.
This is such a waste of time.
Andat Hispanics complaining to Anglos about stealing their land. Now that's a joke.
How was all this possible without government programs to support
the people? Did they have free health care in those days?
Butons, can you help me out here.
The conquistas pretty much were government programs themselves.
"When viewing this issue at what point in history do you stop and draw the line? Say we stop in 1000 AD so all the conquests prior are legitimate?"
Repugs (aka Pravda-style history) say history started 9/12, so there were no terrorist attacks on USA under Repug Reign of Error.
Most MXicans are NOT ethnic Spanish, but mostly (Asian) aboriginals.
Wrong.
The pure indigenous population of Mexico is quite small.The overwhelmingly largest ethnic group in Mexico is the Mestizos who are of mixed Spanish and Indian ancestry
Given Mexico's present/historical treatment of indigenous tribes as well as that of every other latin american goverment, I find such charges hollow.
not only fail but the indigenous of Mexico who's land WAS stolen have NO claims north of the Rio Grande otherwise they would be Apache, or Navajo or any other various indigenous peoples of the US.
Their land WAS stolen, BY themselves and FROM themselves and NOT here.
Take it back home, boys.
Yup.
Give it another few centuries of intermixing, and it won't matter.
I bet you're wrong about that.
How does ten bucks payable in 300 years, sound?
Where the have you been?
You've been MIA for a while now . . .
Just messing around here and there. Mostly there!Where the have you been?
You've been MIA for a while now . . .
Damn as old as I am how come I didn't get in on the land rush, stealing
some the poor peoples land. And how do poor people own land?
Even my Grandparents had to buy their land in Texas. But they don't
teach that in history books, just that us mean old gringo's stole everything.
That is after we bought our slaves from the English or Southerner's or
maybe even some damn Arab. Who still own slaves. Speaking of slaves,
any of you ever read any of those stories about the Mexican's owning
slaves, even in this day and age. One case not so long ago in of all
damn places, Laredo. Kept the gal chained up in the backyard.
Aaaand the biggest African slave traders ...IN THE WORLD were...Hispanic.
My work here is done.
Last edited by word; 05-07-2010 at 07:02 PM.
Thinking back to my Spanish classes, America is viewed as a single continent by most of Latin America. At least if my textbook wasn't full of .Not to nitpick, but shouldn't this sign read "Stolen Continents"?
Holy . Look at all the solid-white shirts in that photo. I hope it wasn't MLK day.
Thats right, there were some stupid debates in my school with American kids about America being 1 or 2 continents, I personally don't care if either form is used.
funny how people forget to account the constant warring and "stealing" of their own that was going on in the americas long before the europeans arrived.
give me a break, 99% of the habitable land in the world has been conquered and reconquered by someone else. welcome to civilization.
the U.S. can thank this man for getting the job done regarding the mexican-american war. otherwise, it would have been an all-or-nothing seizure of land with many more casualties on both sides to boot.
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from what i understand, "americans" are considered estadounidenses in latin america. using the term american to describe a united states citizen is considered politically incorrect.
Last edited by The Reckoning; 05-07-2010 at 10:25 PM.
It's more than that. It's an insult.american to describe a united states citizen is considered politically incorrect.
America describes the continent to hispanophones. For us, it's a brand name, one that arrogantly refers only to the North Americans living to the immediate south of Canada, no obstante los demas. No obstante lo todo de America aparte de los EEUU.
It makes us look like jerks. Maybe we are jerks.
At the very least, in failing to differentiate ourselves successfully from the jerks, our national at ude toward our neighbors is a heinous failure and abortion of true culture. JMO.
On the America thing, right? Nomenclature is a , y'all.
tell it to lee greenwood
F******* Amatuers.
Thats not true, regerring to citizens of the United States of America as "Americanos" is just confusing to some Latin Americans, its not an insult to anyone.
I couldn't agree with this more. Given the long view, Spain is in the process of winning the colonial wars that were big during the 15th, 16th and 17th centuries.
The Northern Europeans won some battles and were ascendant for a couple hundred years in parts of Africa, South America and North America, but slowly, slowly, the Spaniards are taking more and more over.
Just think about the English losing North America (Canada is not even a colony anymore), India, Ireland (except for the northern counties), most of thier holdings in Asia, and in South Africa. Think about the French in America, Africa, IndoChina, etc. The same is true of the Dutch, and the Germans just could hardly ever get a foothold anywhere because they didn't unite until 1871 and then ended up causing two world wars, still not obtaining colonies.
And, of course, ALL Europeans are illegal immigrants to the Native Americans of both North and South America. We just don't like to admit it.
the term latin america is problematic to begin with with its implications on modernity and other things, some people think of it as the subordination of people. anyways the safe thing people do is call that map the americas.Not to nitpick, but shouldn't this sign read "Stolen Continents"?
Holy . Look at all the solid-white shirts in that photo. I hope it wasn't MLK day.
Really? They had a law against immigrating?
... or is that government pogroms?
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