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    It didnt stop him from dropping 26/5/2 to eliminate the Mavs in game 6.

    He crapped out in the 4th quarter of games 1 and 3 against Phoenix, the other two he was basically a non-factor. When you're not breathing well it affects your entire body, yes inconsistency has always been the knock on him but when he's drawing front rim on wide open 3's it's tired legs which can be related to bad breathing.

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    when I asked that question, no one had. I'm not, either. I'm saying he was affected by the injury, which is pretty much a fact.

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    Of course i'm comparing him to Dwade. Thats the point, at times he can look like the best player in the league, comparable to Wade. But time and time again, he reverts into playing like , while the other stars of the league remain consistent in their efforts for the most part.

    This has been happening for a long time. You can't blame it ALL on injuries, guy. The fact of the matter is, Manu dropping off against the Suns is something that could be expected anyway. His nose only provides you with a convenient excuse for it.

    No hate, he's one of my favorite players in the L. But this is what dissapoints me about him so much.
    See: 2005, 2007

    He sustained his level of play for an entire postseason and on the big stage, which is what matters.

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    See: 2005, 2007

    He sustained his level of play for an entire postseason and on the big stage, which is what matters.
    I wouldn't argue with this dude. I'm not sure he watched a Spurs game this postseason, considering he doesn't even know about Manu's face injury.

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    So when Kobe is playing with a bad finger and sucks he's a warrior, when Manu plays with a broken nose and sucks he's dropping off. Okay.

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    If Spurs fans are going to blame that for his play
    Who did that? Be specific.
    He was clearly affected by the nose, for whatever reason. I blame breathing issues as well, among other things.
    when I asked that question, no one had. I'm not, either. I'm saying he was affected by the injury, which is pretty much a fact.
    This mother er is on some Memento .

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    So when Kobe is playing with a bad finger and sucks he's a warrior, when Manu plays with a broken nose and sucks he's dropping off. Okay.
    Pretty much everyone had written Kobe off as early as 2 weeks ago. Whatchu talmbout?

    Also broken finger >> broken nose basketball-wise

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    Who had done it at the time I asked the question?

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    See: 2005, 2007

    He sustained his level of play for an entire postseason and on the big stage, which is what matters.
    So when Spurs fan complain about his inconsistency, they dont know what they're talking about.

    That about right?

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    Pretty much everyone had written Kobe off as early as 2 weeks ago. Whatchu talmbout?

    Also broken finger >> broken nose basketball-wise
    The ? Everyone was slobbering his saying how great he is for playing with a bad finger.

    Oh and considering most of Manu's game is taking contact and getting to the rim i'd say it's about even.

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    Why didnt Manu wear a mask? All that tape n on his nose kept coming off a little bit when he would sweat a lot.

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    He wasn't injured this time, his play just leveled off like a mother er.
    You must be on that good to totally miss Manu's facebandage and splint.

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    Wade 2006: 6'4, 212
    Manu 2010: 6'6, 210

    Same size, same style....one is a superstar every night, the other isn't.

    Its not style, fam. Dude just can't keep up.
    Are you foreal? Weight doesn't necessarily show a difference in physique, strength, and or bulk/mass. Different people carry weight differently.

    Alex Rodriguez: 6'3, 228
    Joe Mauer: 6'5, 230

    Are you going to argue that Joe Mauer has the same physique as A-Rod?

    Or how about:

    Steven Jackson: 6'2, 236
    Jay Cutler: 6'3, 233

    How about you argue how Steven Jackson and Jay Cutler are the same size and would be similarly durable after the same number of tackles and hits.

    Two players with similar height and weight can have different physiques, different builds, different bulk and strength.


    I will concede that Ginobili's inconsistency isn't always or completely due to his physical style of play and physique. But I certainly think it factors into why sometimes he just can't sustain a high level of play, especially late in seasons and in the playoffs. I think the long season and the bangs and bruises do catch up to him. It's not the only factor, but it's part of it.

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    Also broken finger >> broken nose basketball-wise

    yeah Kobe's Avulsion fracture (what most refer to as a "jammed finger") is worse than an actual broken bone in your nose that s up breathing and forces you to wear a maxipad on your face.

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    Also broken finger >> broken nose basketball-wise
    Not really. A broken finger on your offhand can often mean very little at the NBA level. Even a broken shooting finger can be played through rather easily. Your boy Kobe knows all about it.

    A huge splint and bandage on your face affects your vision and rhythm when you have exactly zero practice with it, and a broken nose definitely affects your breathing and relatively, your conditioning. You can bring up Nash all you want; Nash is a different human being than Manu and is affected by injuries differently.

    The reality is: stats absolutely back up Manu being affected by the injury. Not only that, anyone who watched him unable to drive past Grant Hill during crunchtime of a mustwin game because he was winded knows that the nose affected his breathing a lot.

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    Damn picc84 getting his packed by everyone.

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    Who had done it at the time I asked the question?
    You did. And you did it afterward. Then tried to act like you didn't, right before doing it again.

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    You did [at the time I asked the question].
    Quote, please.

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    Then tried to act like you didn't, right before doing it again.
    The problem here is you consider your opinion the only right way. My opinion is different, and doesn't require blaming Manu for anything.

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    Are you foreal? Weight doesn't necessarily show a difference in physique, strength, and or bulk/mass. Different people carry weight differently.

    Alex Rodriguez: 6'3, 228
    Joe Mauer: 6'5, 230

    Are you going to argue that Joe Mauer has the same physique as A-Rod?

    Or how about:

    Steven Jackson: 6'2, 236
    Jay Cutler: 6'3, 233

    How about you argue how Steven Jackson and Jay Cutler are the same size and would be similarly durable after the same number of tackles and hits.

    Two players with similar height and weight can have different physiques, different builds, different bulk and strength.


    I will concede that Ginobili's inconsistency isn't always or completely due to his physical style of play and physique. But I certainly think it factors into why sometimes he just can't sustain a high level of play, especially late in seasons and in the playoffs. I think the long season and the bangs and bruises do catch up to him. It's not the only factor, but it's part of it.
    I dont know who Joe Mauer is, and i'm not too familiar with Jay Cutler. What I do know is that Dwade has had seasons at similar sizes as Ginobili and has never had the consistency problems he has. Wade only bulked up after the le season, NOW there is a noticeable size difference between the two. Back then, no.

    One is consistent. The other isn't. Thats the only difference.

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    Wade hasn't been "injury free" himself, exactly, because of that reckless style of play. The difference is, Wade has been a #1 option for his team throughout his career, while Manu has never been more than a T. 2nd in that regard. It's really hard to compare how consistent one could be as a #1 option when he's never been asked to fill such a role on an NBA team.

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    Not really. A broken finger on your offhand can often mean very little at the NBA level. Even a broken shooting finger can be played through rather easily. Your boy Kobe knows all about it.

    A huge splint and bandage on your face affects your vision and rhythm when you have exactly zero practice with it, and a broken nose definitely affects your breathing and relatively, your conditioning. You can bring up Nash all you want; Nash is a different human being than Manu and is affected by injuries differently.

    The reality is: stats absolutely back up Manu being affected by the injury. Not only that, anyone who watched him unable to drive past Grant Hill during crunchtime of a mustwin game because he was winded knows that the nose affected his breathing a lot.
    You've played with both, I assume?

    The reality is that stats back up Manu being himself. Thriving for a while, then playing bad again, then thriving again. Thats who he is. The nose is just your convenient excuse for the year, something you guys are very, very good at.

    Didnt Rip Hamilton play with a mask for a whole year because his nose was annihilated? And his whole job is just to run around like a chicken with its head cut off. He never seemed to get too gassed to contribute. Or maybe Pistons fans just dont make excuses.

    Dont remember Nash playing much differently after his nose got torpedoed in 2007. 19/12 and 18/14 in the two games after that. No excuses from Suns fans then. And dont forget him closing out the Spurs with one eye last night.

    How can you make these excuses and look at yourselves in the mirror, spurs fans? Don't you ever get tired?

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    so.....in other words........the mavs knocked off the spurs again.

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    He's not as good as Dragic, but manu is a nice 7th or 8th player off the bench.

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    You've played with both, I assume?

    I've played basketball with a jammed finger before and it really wasn't a big deal. I guess I'm a warrior.

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