BREAKING NEWS!!!! Big 10 makes initial offer!!

[chrisattsu]

It's flawed logic to even think the NY market is up for grabs. NYC is where the NY market is most valuable and college sports will never be big there because pro sports rule the day there.

It is about money and exposure of the Big Ten Network.

The BTN charges cable/sat providers in these Big Ten media markets $1 per subscriber, while only charging the rest of the country 10 cents per subscriber. If they can get into NYC/NJ it will mean a pretty big deal.

[Blake]

The Big 10 obviously wants ND and the only reason the Big 10 asked them this time around in my opinion is that (a) they have sent out feelers and know there is a good chance that they will accept and (b) to force NDs hand, because if the Big Ten expands other conferences may expand and essentially end the Big East, which is where all of NDs other sports are at.

I think you are underestimating ND's pull.

If they say no to the offer today and then change their minds 3 years from now, the Big 10 will still bend over for them......as would any conference.

[Blake]

well obviously, but I think they're overplaying their hand a little,

IMO the BCS created the golden goose, and the Big 10 is potentially plucking some feathers here... for lack of a better way to say it.

whose feathers are they plucking?

[DMX7]

It is about money and exposure of the Big Ten Network.

The BTN charges cable/sat providers in these Big Ten media markets $1 per subscriber, while only charging the rest of the country 10 cents per subscriber. If they can get into NYC/NJ it will mean a pretty big deal.

I know, but that assumes people are going to subscribe in that market and I just don't see Rutgers drawing more demand for that channel (regarless of market) than another more attractive school.

[Marklar MM]

I know, but that assumes people are going to subscribe in that market and I just don't see Rutgers drawing more demand for that channel (regarless of market) than another more attractive school.

Big10 network goes on cable in the Big10 school regions. Same as ESPN, etc. 70 cents a house(or whatever they agree upon). That's why they want to get into the New York/Jersey blueprint.

[dallaskd]

Rutgers is gone in a heatbeat. Nebraska is def no. Notre Dame and Mizzou are toss ups imo. TCU to the big 12!!

[DMX7]

Big10 network goes on cable in the Big10 school regions. Same as ESPN, etc. 70 cents a house(or whatever they agree upon). That's why they want to get into the New York/Jersey blueprint.

Worthless Comment of the Thread Award goes to this.

[lebomb]

I also heard the Big 10 wants Rutgers because they have a good academic reputation.

[NFO]

I think you are underestimating ND's pull.

If they say no to the offer today and then change their minds 3 years from now, the Big 10 will still bend over for them......as would any conference.

Maybe, but in years past ND held all the cards with their (at the time) NBC contract, but since the Big Ten created the Big Ten Network, ND no longer holds all the cards. If the Big Ten were to pluck one or two Big East teams and another conference and mess up NDs other sports programs the leverage has shifted to the Big Ten, but ND still has some pull.

I know, but that assumes people are going to subscribe in that market and I just don't see Rutgers drawing more demand for that channel (regarless of market) than another more attractive school.

They don't have to subscribe if the Big Ten can get the channel on basic expanded cable. I don't think the Big Ten would ask a school if they didn't think they could get into the NY market, even if it is a pro sports town. Getting the channel on the basic cable expanded version is what they are after.

[Blake]

Maybe, but in years past ND held all the cards with their (at the time) NBC contract, but since the Big Ten created the Big Ten Network, ND no longer holds all the cards. If the Big Ten were to pluck one or two Big East teams and another conference and mess up NDs other sports programs the leverage has shifted to the Big Ten, but ND still has some pull.

I don't think so. If the leverage really has shifted that much to the Big 10, then Notre Dame joining the Big 10 would be a no brainer.

Even when the NBC contract expires, in one way or another, ND will be on national TV basically every week, collecting a nice paycheck.

Thanks to the BCS contract they set up, Notre Dame also gets guaranteed BCS money payout, even when they don't even go to a bowl game at all.

ND is still in the driver's seat and will be for a long time.

[NFO]

I don't think so. If the leverage really has shifted that much to the Big 10, then Notre Dame joining the Big 10 would be a no brainer.

Financially it is a no-brainer. However you have administrators and very influential alumni that want football to remain independent because of tradition no matter the financial benefits of joining a conference. Notre Dame views itself as a national brand and by joining a conference would compromise that.

I never said that the leverage shifted entirely to the Big Ten, only that the leverage has shifted towards the Big Ten as in where 10 years ago ND held all the cards, now that hold less than all.

Thanks to the BCS contract they set up, Notre Dame also gets guaranteed BCS money payout, even when they don't even go to a bowl game at all.

With the implementation of the most recent BCS contract in 2006, Notre Dame no longer gets a full BCS share for a BCS game ($14 million at the time, now $18 million) but settled for $4.5 million, the amount given to a second place team from a conference.Additionally, for the length of the four-year contract, the Irish would receive a 1/66th share of BCS money as the 66th team in the BCS – about $1.3 million – when they did not go to a BCS game.

For the last two years, here are the BCS conference’s profits and average per team:
ACC

* 2007-08: Profit — $19,263,649, Average/Team — $1.6 Million
* 2008-09: Profit — $18,765,375, Average/Team — $1.56 Million

Big East

* 2007-08: Profit — $14,197,021, Average/Team — $1.77 Million
* 2008-09: Profit — $15,526,656, Average/Team — $1.94 Million

Big Ten

* 2007-08: Profit — $24,394,305, Average/Team — $2.2 Million
* 2008-09: Profit — $23,846,330, Average/Team — $2.17 Million

Big 12

* 2007-08: Profit — $21,706,427, Average/Team — $1.81 Million
* 2008-09: Profit — $22,521,061, Average/Team — $1.88 Million

Pac-10

* 2007-08: Profit — $17,647,012, Average/Team — $1.76 Million
* 2008-09: Profit — $18,766,786, Average/Team — $1.88 Million

SEC

* 2007-08: Profit — $28,991,720, Average/Team — $2.42 Million
* 2008-09: Profit — $28, 362,667, Average/Team — $2.36 Million

(Source: NCAA Financials 2007-08, 2008-09)

Do you see any BCS team taking home $1.3 million—other than ND?

To make the same amount ($14 million in 2005) for a BCS appearance under the old contract, Notre Dame would need to appear in three BCS bowls in the four year contract (3 x $4.5 = $13.5 + $1.3 million for the fourth year = $14.8 million). With the conference champion’s share increased to $18 million, though, ND would currently need four BCS appearances in four years (4 x $4.5 = $18 million) to equal one year. The Irish settled for 25% of what they used to take for a BCS participation.

Since ND’s BCS appearance revenue has been fixed, the “rising tide lifts all boats” theory applies to all the other BCS teams except ND. The BCS contract with fixed amounts has been an anchor to Notre Dame, while the sea rises around them. Notre Dame could appear in a national championship game for 25% of what its opponent will get for their conference.

Notre Dame’s annual share is not only less than the average for each conference team, but is 1% of the total bowl revenue distributed among BCS teams. Some fans think 1% of bowl monies is too much to give Notre Dame.

In short, it is more profitable to be Duke, Iowa State, Indiana, Washington State, Syracuse, or Mississippi State than to be an independent Notre Dame. Independence for ND is certainly not about the BCS money.

Source: http://clashmoremike.com/2009/07/not...#ixzz0mvK1d8Rp

ND is still in the driver's seat and will be for a long time.

Nah, they are in the back seat with Morgan Freeman in the drivers seat.

[Marklar MM]

Worthless Comment of the Thread Award goes to this.

Why? Because you don't have to subscribe to get the channel if you have a school in the Big10 in your region? Only thing the Big10 has to do is get a deal with the cable company and your ass is paying for it.

[NFO]

Why? Because you don't have to subscribe to get the channel if you have a school in the Big10 in your region? Only thing the Big10 has to do is get a deal with the cable company and your ass is paying for it.

Exactly.

[DMX7]

Why? Because you don't have to subscribe to get the channel if you have a school in the Big10 in your region? Only thing the Big10 has to do is get a deal with the cable company and your ass is paying for it.

I already have it. It's part of a tiered sports package. The only way most people will be paying for it though is if it becomes a basic cable channel, and it won't because having Rutgers in the Big Ten isn't going to make everyone in New York (my original point) want this channel. The cable companies are out to make money, they will drop this channel especially at $1.00 or whatever per subscriber if no one is watching it, and no one relatively speaking in New York will be.

[Marklar MM]

I already have it. It's part of a tiered sports package. The only way most people will be paying for it though is if it becomes a basic cable channel, and it won't because having Rutgers in the Big Ten isn't going to make everyone in New York (my original point) want this channel. The cable companies are out to make money, they will drop this channel especially at $1.00 or whatever per subscriber if no one is watching it, and no one relatively speaking in New York will be.

what state do you live in? And it is 70 cents.

[scottspurs]

Nebraska won't leave the big 12. Texas makes everybody else too much money.

[lebomb]

Ok...........who are the 5 elite teams in each conference?

Big 12

1. Texas
2. OU
3. Nebraska
4. Texas A&M
5. Missouri/Okie St.?


Big 10

1. Ohio St.
2. Michigan
3. Penn St.
4. Michigan St.
5. Wisconsin/Iowa?


................................. I dont know, but I can see the Big 10's top couple of teams bringing in at least as much money as Texas. *shrugs*

[fyatuk]

In 2007-2008, Texas ranked #1 in total athletic revenue with $120m. Ohio State 2nd at $118m. Michigan 4th at 99m. Wisconsin 5th at 93.5. Penn State 6th at 91.5m.

Big 12 didn't have another entry until #10 with OK State at 88.5m.

Of course, Texas churns out more profit than them (OSU has been losing money, etc).

What those teams add to another teams budget is different issue. In that, the Big XII likely can't compare to the Big Ten, since the Big Ten gives it's schools the most revenue of any conference.

[samikeyp]

If all 4 go, that would be 15 which would be an odd number...I wonder if they are counting on not all of them joining.

[DMX7]

Ok...........who are the 5 elite teams in each conference?

Big 12

1. Texas
2. OU
3. Nebraska
4. Texas A&M
5. Missouri/Okie St.?


Big 10

1. Ohio St.
2. Michigan
3. Penn St.
4. Michigan St.
5. Wisconsin/Iowa?


................................. I dont know, but I can see the Big 10's top couple of teams bringing in at least as much money as Texas. *shrugs*

Big Ten shares tv revenue equally, so it's a bigger payday for them in the Big Ten.

If all 4 go, that would be 15 which would be an odd number...I wonder if they are counting on not all of them joining.

Rutgers is only getting an invite if Notre Dame doesn't join, according to the report.

[NFO]

Nebraska won't leave the big 12. Texas makes everybody else too much money.

How so???

Texas made the most in the Big 12 last year with 12 million in TV revenue so Nebraska made less than 12 million in TV revenue last year. Each Big Ten team made 22 million in TV revenue last year. Last time I checked 22 was greater than 12. Just curious to your logic

If all 4 go, that would be 15 which would be an odd number...I wonder if they are counting on not all of them joining.

As mentioned, Rutgers only gets an invite if ND declines making it 14. If the Big 10 expands it will be to an even number (12,14 or 16).

[DMX7]

And according to the Big Ten commissioner, no offers have been extended to anyone and offers have not even been discussed.

[Blake]

Financially it is a no-brainer. However you have administrators and very influential alumni that want football to remain independent because of tradition no matter the financial benefits of joining a conference. Notre Dame views itself as a national brand and by joining a conference would compromise that.

I never said that the leverage shifted entirely to the Big Ten, only that the leverage has shifted towards the Big Ten as in where 10 years ago ND held all the cards, now that hold less than all.




With the implementation of the most recent BCS contract in 2006, Notre Dame no longer gets a full BCS share for a BCS game ($14 million at the time, now $18 million) but settled for $4.5 million, the amount given to a second place team from a conference.Additionally, for the length of the four-year contract, the Irish would receive a 1/66th share of BCS money as the 66th team in the BCS – about $1.3 million – when they did not go to a BCS game.

For the last two years, here are the BCS conference’s profits and average per team:
ACC

* 2007-08: Profit — $19,263,649, Average/Team — $1.6 Million
* 2008-09: Profit — $18,765,375, Average/Team — $1.56 Million

Big East

* 2007-08: Profit — $14,197,021, Average/Team — $1.77 Million
* 2008-09: Profit — $15,526,656, Average/Team — $1.94 Million

Big Ten

* 2007-08: Profit — $24,394,305, Average/Team — $2.2 Million
* 2008-09: Profit — $23,846,330, Average/Team — $2.17 Million

Big 12

* 2007-08: Profit — $21,706,427, Average/Team — $1.81 Million
* 2008-09: Profit — $22,521,061, Average/Team — $1.88 Million

Pac-10

* 2007-08: Profit — $17,647,012, Average/Team — $1.76 Million
* 2008-09: Profit — $18,766,786, Average/Team — $1.88 Million

SEC

* 2007-08: Profit — $28,991,720, Average/Team — $2.42 Million
* 2008-09: Profit — $28, 362,667, Average/Team — $2.36 Million

(Source: NCAA Financials 2007-08, 2008-09)

Do you see any BCS team taking home $1.3 million—other than ND?

To make the same amount ($14 million in 2005) for a BCS appearance under the old contract, Notre Dame would need to appear in three BCS bowls in the four year contract (3 x $4.5 = $13.5 + $1.3 million for the fourth year = $14.8 million). With the conference champion’s share increased to $18 million, though, ND would currently need four BCS appearances in four years (4 x $4.5 = $18 million) to equal one year. The Irish settled for 25% of what they used to take for a BCS participation.

Since ND’s BCS appearance revenue has been fixed, the “rising tide lifts all boats” theory applies to all the other BCS teams except ND. The BCS contract with fixed amounts has been an anchor to Notre Dame, while the sea rises around them. Notre Dame could appear in a national championship game for 25% of what its opponent will get for their conference.

Notre Dame’s annual share is not only less than the average for each conference team, but is 1% of the total bowl revenue distributed among BCS teams. Some fans think 1% of bowl monies is too much to give Notre Dame.

In short, it is more profitable to be Duke, Iowa State, Indiana, Washington State, Syracuse, or Mississippi State than to be an independent Notre Dame. Independence for ND is certainly not about the BCS money.

Source: http://clashmoremike.com/2009/07/not...#ixzz0mvK1d8Rp

Good points. Helps reiiterate my thinking that it's 50-50 the Irish accept an invite.

With things crumbling around them, they should accept, but they are so goddamm arrogant they might not.

[Blake]

And according to the Big Ten commissioner, no offers have been extended to anyone and offers have not even been discussed.

I was watching ESPN today at Buffalo Wild Wings and they jumped on the story of the invitations to these schools.....

I couldn't hear what they were saying about the story though.....

[samikeyp]

Rutgers is only getting an invite if Notre Dame doesn't join, according to the report.

Thanks.....shows you how much I pay attention!