That was some pretty acting and writing, outside of whoever plays the smoke monster. That guy did a good job, and I enjoyed the parallels to Satan (the prodigal, chosen and best loved angel who rejected paradise to inhabit earth). I thought the light reveal in particular, was cheesy, and not the good kind of cheese that Lost has done well for years, but the kind of reveal that was so flat in it's delivery, that it was just about meaningless. So, the writers decided to explain the smoke monster with an unexplained light source? There's not enough time remaining in the season for the writers to redeem themselves. Maybe they should have taken a cue from their fans and ripped their ideas, because I've read some theories over the years that were just flat out better than how they've handled the end of the series.
ing awesome episode. MIB was not evil, but reincarnation of him might be. Might explain Sayid. Still don't get why he can't leave. If Jacob (the protector) can wonder off the Island, why can't MIB? Like that they didn't name him. I'm sure some answers from this episode will be explained in the final two episodes. It's become pretty convoluted to answer everything.
Next episode is called "What They Died For". Lots of answers would be nice, but have the feeling that's what the finale is for.
I can't see how the this get's wrapped up in 3 1/2 hours.
This episode was a letdown and kind of a waste. The writers and producers should have had this show air earlier this season. Lost is about to end and we get a flashback episode about Jacob and the smoke monster. Ridiculous. Next week and the finale better deliver otherwise a lot of fans will be really pissed.
It's mythology set up. I'm sure without it, nothing would make sense...or make less sense than it already does. And what do they care if the fans are pissed? Show's over. They're rich.
these half ass writers.
How do you get that MiB wasn't evil? He was a powerful liar and manipulator, even as a child, and stabbed his foster mother to death, from behind, no less. You get a more nuanced look at him, true, but nothing I saw changed my view to good, or even neutral. He's a bad, bad, boy.
As for Jacob, the island may give him dispensation to go abroad and "recruit" new candidates.
It would have been more annoying than not naming MiB if they had beeped it out every time it was said, like Kiddo in Kill Bill.
You should both probably stop watching now, and save yourselves the disappointment. They've pretty much said they're not going to wrap everything up neat and tidy. Get ready for that, or pull the rip cord.
Because he lied about having a game, he's a powerful liar? He was a ing child!!! Children lie. The only "evil" thing he did in the episode was killing ancient Rosseau. Which she goaded him into doing and thanked him for. He didn't become evil until his goody, goody brother threw him down the light hole.How do you get that MiB wasn't evil? He was a powerful liar and manipulator, even as a child, and stabbed his foster mother to death, from behind, no less. You get a more nuanced look at him, true, but nothing I saw changed my view to good, or even neutral. He's a bad, bad, boy.
As for Jacob, the island may give him dispensation to go abroad and "recruit" new candidates.
It would have been more annoying than not naming MiB if they had beeped it out every time it was said, like Kiddo in Kill Bill.
Smoke monster is a , but evil incarnate? No way. He's just another shade of gray. If he were evil, there is certainly no good. Jacob is a tool, and his 'mother' wiped out an entire village of people for no reason.
I haven't been able to get onto the Fuselage to see reactions, but I anticipate it will be mixed opinions across the board. Half will love it. Half will hate it.
THIS was the perfect spot to place the episode, IMO, after the heavy drama and loss of last week. It gives us time to think about the larger scheme of things after such a localized episode last week.
I'm just bummed the acting, pacing, and "answers" seemed so lazy...there really have been some amazing theories out there that do seem to beat out the direction the actual show is headed. But there are 3 1/2 hours to go, and Matthew Fox said they tried to do something profound and hopefully it will overshadow the crappy "answers."
Has Jack been the more selfless one the island?
New Jack, maybe. Hurley overall has been the least self serving, imo.
People continuously expecting answers after five and a half years of this make me laugh. They're not going to answer everything and when they do they're going to leave it open to interpretation. Its the shows MO.
And frankly I like it.
So yea, the more outrage I see about this episode the worse it's making me feel about Adam/Eve. It almost annoys me how they showed the flashback just to kinda say "SEE, WE HAD THIS ALL PLANNED FROM THE START" except if you watch the original scene it's different than they make it out to be.
I get the whole "every question I answer leads to more questions" concept that the Mother mentioned at the start of the episode, but it's not the audience's fault that the writer's made overly complicated without truly having an answer in mind. This is not the X-files, the world's paranormal activity was never clearly defined, then all of the sudden a golden fountain ends up being the purpose of everything. Yes, the show is about the characters, but they created two timelines and it's partially killed the drama of people dying on the island when we know they are still alive. In the end, they could die in the new timeline, but as we watch it we still don't get that same *gasp* like when Charlie and Boone and others died.
Basically, instead of clogging the show with mythology they can't answer, they should have filled it with the kind of personal stories from Season 1. Maybe the show really did jump the shark when the flashbacks stopped.
I don't want everything answered. I just want some type of conclusion about Flocke wanting to leaving the island and if he succeeds or not and if Jack or whoever else stops him.
Ah, I didn't know you were on the 'Lage. Have you read any spoilers?
I'm on there, same name.
Even if the finale ends up showing the idea behind the show to be somewhat re ed, I don't think any show has inspired so many people to look up info on so many diverse topics.
i thought the rules were that jacob and MiB could not kill each other, yet it appears that jacob did kill him. Or maybe the light killed him.
You could look at it that he didn't technically "kill" him... he just transformed him into Smokey.
After all, note that MiB never says Jacob killed him... just that Jacob stole his body.
His dark side was split from his physical body so technically his body died, his 'spirit' remains alive.
The series ends with Coach Pop pouring some of that cave light on Tim Duncan's knees.
meh Weak episode for what it could have been.
Just waiting for this damn thing to wrap up.
I love how they edited the Adam/Eve - Mother/MiB connection at the end though. It was great. The last 30 mins of the series should be just like that and answer every gotdamn question
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