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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    I just don't understand. He's a 2 time MVP, arguably the best player in the game teamed up with a 4xChampion, most dominant ever center. He has a legitimant and i believe pretty established All-star Forward in Antawn Jamison who they practically got for free. He has an All-Star point-guard in Mo Williams. He has a former All Star back up center in Big Z. He practically has the best 3 point shooters surrounding him.

    Does Lebron need another established #1 guy ala Dirk, Dwyane, Carmello, Howard to get him to ATLEAST the Finals again? Or is he just not finding a way to use his teammates full potential?

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    he has everything he needs, he just choked this year. He doesn't need anyone else. If anything, he makes the rest of the team look bad when he pounds the ball and puts them in a position to fail with a run down shot clock

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    Another established player?

    Ne needs another star

    And by other star, I don't mean washed up Shaq.

    MJ had Pippen
    Kobe had a younger Shaq, and now Gasol
    Duncan had Robinson, then he had Ginobili


    Mo Williams is an overrated POS who disappears as the playoff advance, Jamison is a good scorer, but that's it, Shaq is not what he used to be.

    Actually, every Cavalier not named LBJ is a good role player


    So this is what the Cavs need:

    - another star, because they already have good role players

    and


    and


    A REAL coach ! Mike Brown is the worst in the business, the worst

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    since when is Antawn Jamison a role player?

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    Of course he doesn't. Only Kobe needs help.

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    Another established player?

    Ne needs another star

    And by other star, I don't mean washed up Shaq.

    MJ had Pippen
    Kobe had a younger Shaq, and now Gasol
    Duncan had Robinson, then he had Ginobili


    Mo Williams is an overrated POS who disappears as the playoff advance, Jamison is a good scorer, but that's it, Shaq is not what he used to be.

    Actually, every Cavalier not named LBJ is a good role player


    So this is what the Cavs need:

    - another star, because they already have good role players

    and


    and


    A REAL coach ! Mike Brown is the worst in the business, the worst
    What kind of star? Antawn jamison not enough? or does it have to be a Melo kind of star.

    Yes, Kobe has Gasol, but keep in mind before Gasol went to LA, Gasol was a 1x all star who hasnt even won a playoff game...very similar to the level of jamison.

    This quote from yahoo says it best:
    "Yet make no mistake: James has enough around him. This team isn’t perfect, isn’t assured of beating the Los Angeles Lakers, but it has no business losing in the conference semifinals – never mind failing to even compete. And, yes, as much as ever, this is on James."

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    Yes. Lebron needs at least a legitimate second option. Im talking about a guy who can clearly score when Lebron is off. Kobe has one. Pierce had one. Wade had one. Bosh would be good.


    Problem with Cleveland is they are a team full of followers and washed up superstars and the only player who has the audacity to take shots away from bron is a no good chucker named MO. I mean, Shaq, Z and Jamison are past father time by NBA standards.


    Oh and also change the damn freaking coach. jordan didnt win with doug collins, so i dont expect lebron to carry mr. potato head into a championship.

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    Yes. Lebron needs at least a legitimate second option. Im talking about a guy who can clearly score when Lebron is off. Kobe has one. Pierce had one. Wade had one. Bosh would be good.


    Problem with Cleveland is they are a team full of followers and washed up superstars and the only player who has the audacity to take shots away from bron is a no good chucker named MO. I mean, Shaq, Z and Jamison are past father time by NBA standards.


    Oh and also change the damn freaking coach. jordan didnt win with doug collins, so i dont expect lebron to carry mr. potato head into a championship.
    So his current team isnt good enough to past the semi's?

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    Gearing up for the Cavs to be knocked out?

    Give me a break. All season long, people have been talking about how great this team is, and how deep, not to mention, they had the best record in the league. Yet now that the Celtics aren't rolling over and dying, this discussion begins.

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    What kind of star? Antawn jamison not enough? or does it have to be a Melo kind of star.

    Yes, Kobe has Gasol, but keep in mind before Gasol went to LA, Gasol was a 1x all star who hasnt even won a playoff game...very similar to the level of jamison.

    This quote from yahoo says it best:
    "Yet make no mistake: James has enough around him. This team isn’t perfect, isn’t assured of beating the Los Angeles Lakers, but it has no business losing in the conference semifinals – never mind failing to even compete. And, yes, as much as ever, this is on James."
    Don't get me wrong, I like Antwan, but he is not a real star like Scottie, Shaq or D-Rob used to be.

    I'm not saying that having 2 superstars is mandatory - let's not forget the 1994 Rockets - but it works most of the time

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    What kind of star? Antawn jamison not enough? or does it have to be a Melo kind of star.
    Jamison isn't a star at this point in his career.

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    I just don't understand. He's a 2 time MVP, arguably the best player in the game teamed up with a 4xChampion, most dominant ever center. He has a legitimant and i believe pretty established All-star Forward in Antawn Jamison who they practically got for free. He has an All-Star point-guard in Mo Williams. He has a former All Star back up center in Big Z. He practically has the best 3 point shooters surrounding him.

    Does Lebron need another established #1 guy ala Dirk, Dwyane, Carmello, Howard to get him to ATLEAST the Finals again? Or is he just not finding a way to use his teammates full potential?

    You paint a pretty biased picture. Shaq is like 40 years old and is no longer a big impact player, plus Mike Brown uses him sparingly. Jamison is a career loser. Solid player but he's never helped a team win. Most of his better statistical years were on ty teams putting up empty stats. Mo Williams is not a real all star, didn't really deserve to be. Plus, he's a much worse playoff choker than LeBron. Mike Brown doesn't even play Z really. LeBron's best teammate is actually Varejao and he'll never be anything more than a defensive role player.

    LeBron does have very good three point shooting around him. And the Cavs as a team play pretty good defense. But his help, while better than he's ever had, still isn't that great. Take LeBron off of the Cavs, that team would be fighting for a playoff spot in the Eastern Conference, probably missing the playoffs. LeBron is the only reason they get as far as they do.

    But to answer the question, does LeBron need another established player to make it back to the Finals, I think the answer is no. LeBron is capable of getting back to the Finals without another true superstar player. Will he this year? Looks doubtful, but he doesn't need another established star to do it. It certainly would help though.

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    This quote from yahoo says it best:
    "Yet make no mistake: James has enough around him. This team isn’t perfect, isn’t assured of beating the Los Angeles Lakers, but it has no business losing in the conference semifinals – never mind failing to even compete. And, yes, as much as ever, this is on James."
    But yeah I agree with that.

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    Gearing up for the Cavs to be knocked out?

    Give me a break. All season long, people have been talking about how great this team is, and how deep, not to mention, they had the best record in the league. Yet now that the Celtics aren't rolling over and dying, this discussion begins.
    Jamison isn't a star at this point in his career.


    BTW...when they got All-Star Jamison, who did they give up for him?

    Here's Antawn Jamison numbers with the Wiz this year:

    2009-2010 Wizards
    20.5 ppg
    8.8 rpg
    45% fg

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    What kind of star? Antawn jamison not enough? or does it have to be a Melo kind of star.

    Yes, Kobe has Gasol, but keep in mind before Gasol went to LA, Gasol was a 1x all star who hasnt even won a playoff game...very similar to the level of jamison.

    This quote from yahoo says it best:
    "Yet make no mistake: James has enough around him. This team isn’t perfect, isn’t assured of beating the Los Angeles Lakers, but it has no business losing in the conference semifinals – never mind failing to even compete. And, yes, as much as ever, this is on James."
    forget the quotes from yahoo its bs. its from the same source that called kobe washed up, you agree with that?

    jamison is a broken ass star.

    let me show you




    kobe had a shaq kinda star (Arcturus) then he has a (Pollux) in Pau Gasol

    Lebron has no one but asteroids in his team.

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    Did anyone listen to Cowherd today? He was talking about how Lebron had the right to not play well and see if his teammates could step up, because he had an important business decision. I would never hire Cowherd for my company.

    So if Cowherd isn't feeling respected enough, he's just going to go on the air and do a crappy job? Not to mention the pathos of Cleveland's sports scene, and Lebron saying he would do everything to get them a championship.

    Cowherd is a frigging putz.

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    since when is Antawn Jamison a role player?
    It's the excuses they make up to say LeBron doesn't have enough help.

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    It's the excuses they make up to say LeBron doesn't have enough help.
    Next thing you know, they'll be saying the Cavs didn't advance because LeBron was injured.
    Please. When will people stop making excuses for this guy?

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    BTW...when they got All-Star Jamison, who did they give up for him?

    Here's Antawn Jamison numbers with the Wiz this year:

    2009-2010 Wizards
    20.5 ppg
    8.8 rpg
    45% fg
    I'm not saying he's a bad player or anything like that, just think he's not as good as you're making him.

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    Did anyone listen to Cowherd today? He was talking about how Lebron had the right to not play well and see if his teammates could step up, because he had an important business decision.
    Sounds like a Kobe move.

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    Once again guys:

    Jamison
    2009-2010 Wizards
    20.5 ppg
    8.8 rpg
    45% fg

    Keep in mind that this was an addition without subtraction trade. Everyone one of us would have jumped for joy if we got Jamison in our team.

    Jamison is a career loser. Solid player but he's never helped a team win. Most of his better statistical years were on ty teams putting up empty stats.
    Similar to Gasol?

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    james just doesnt have 'it'.

    hes like the human form of the dallas mavericks. puts up big numbers and always looks impressive in the regular season then just cant finish it out.
    when other players' killer instincts emerge, he just cant match them and collapses.

    hes just the best example of these 'all-athleticism' players. him, dwight howard, amare, etc...they get their numbers because of their freakish bodies and superhuman natural abilities. their minds and their fundamental skills and knowledge never has to develop, so once their athleticism wanes their numbers and careers will fall off a steep cliff.

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    Did anyone listen to Cowherd today? He was talking about how Lebron had the right to not play well and see if his teammates could step up, because he had an important business decision. I would never hire Cowherd for my company.

    So if Cowherd isn't feeling respected enough, he's just going to go on the air and do a crappy job? Not to mention the pathos of Cleveland's sports scene, and Lebron saying he would do everything to get them a championship.

    Cowherd is a frigging putz.
    Lebron is only worried about how much money he can suck away from the middle class. He doesn't give a about winning anything.

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    People need to stop giving this guy a crutch. He has a deep, talented team around him. If he can't get it done with this group it's on him- especially considering how horrendously he's playing. Other guys have won more with less. I don't think Tim Duncan's supporting cast in 2003 was much, if any, better than LeBron's this year.

    Some guys have what it takes and some guys don't. It appears LeBron is in the second category.

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    TheDrewShow is salty lefty's Avatar
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    Once again guys:

    Jamison
    2009-2010 Wizards
    20.5 ppg
    8.8 rpg
    45% fg

    Keep in mind that this was an addition without subtraction trade. Everyone one of us would have jumped for joy if we got Jamison in our team.



    Similar to Gasol?
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