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Does anybody remember how Tony was filling it up, carrying the team, in 2008/2009 when Manu was hurt/out and Tim was limping?
when was this? because I seem to remember 08-09 season as seeing TP in the All-NBA, All-Star and carrying the Spurs into a number 3 seed with a hobbled Tim and an absent, injured Manu.
part of me wants TP to be traded so i will no longer have to see TP trade threads, TP hate threads, TP arrogant threads, TP ballhog threads.
Does anybody remember how Tony was filling it up, carrying the team, in 2008/2009 when Manu was hurt/out and Tim was limping?
I also remember how he fizzled out in the second half of each and every game against Dallas in the 09 playoffs. Incidentally, the playoffs are when it matters for those who forgot......
Tony's great, don't get me wrong. Unless hes scoring though, he's not bringing much else to the table. The personnel that the Spurs have now demands that we have a PG capable of distributing the ball to people in their comfort zones and doing more dirty work than Parker does (defensive things mainly). There are other PG out there who can still contribute these things despite struggling from the field.
Damn.............everyone wants a perfect, flawless player that never has a down game or year. LMAO.
Everyone wanting to ditch Parker will be kicken themselves in the ass when he comes in and rapes our new point guard. All we will hear
"man, I wish we had a point guard that was quick and took it to the hole sometimes, instead of dishing it off"
Yall kill me.................
I wouldn't even think of trading Parker unless it brought in a D-will, Paul calibur point, or a solid 15-10 center. Which isn't going to happen. So I'll gladly keep Tony and tell guys like Jefferson and company to adapt to Tony's game. Why should Tony change or be traded when he's done so much for us. But guys like Jefferson, Hill, Blair stay? I know the latter would be harder to move but it's kind of bull .
Ummm, no. We just want a PG that fits the personnel on the team. You cant possibly say that Parker is the best fit at this point....... can you?Damn.............everyone wants a perfect, flawless player that never has a down game or year. LMAO.
Everyone wanting to ditch Parker will be kicken themselves in the ass when he comes in and rapes our new point guard. All we will hear
"man, I wish we had a point guard that was quick and took it to the hole sometimes, instead of dishing it off"
Yall kill me.................
Why not?
Considering Parker has been the most consistent scorer on this team over the past few years, it's hard to imagine trading him. But here are things to consider:
1) Salary demands in upcoming contract negotiations
2) His stance on playing in games not covered under his contract
I don't have a problem with Tony's score-first style: that strategy opens up opportunities for other players as well. He's a great weapon to have on this team. But if he's going to ask for too much money, or if he's going to risk his health and the Spurs' chances by playing in other tournaments, you have to consider trading him.
I also remember we played the Crappaliers that finals.
I'm not sure when his PF started but he came into this year looking overweight (as compared to previous years) and slow (by his standards). Not saying that he isn't a very good player but it's time to look at other options. Of course if Manu's great run at the end of the season was a fluke, then we're screwed anyway.
First the "best stretch" began before Tony was injured...
Then, the main reason of that stretch was the "sens of urgency" the whole team had at that time...
Why wouldn't the same strectch have happened with Tony!
Either you admit HONESTLY that you have a thing against Tony, his style... (and stop saying "I love Tony, but...")
Or make some VALID arguments and REALISTIC solutions!!
Realise that almost everybody loves George, but (almost) everybody knows he is nowhere near the (overall) level of Tony (short AND long term)...
It's cool to debate, I'm cool with people not thinking like me, but I'm seing your posts since a few weeks and it's always the same thing, you keep repeating yourself again and again, NEVER taking into account what people can tell you and sometimes "teach" you...
I'm mean (not counting the TP homers), there have been enough arguments theses past week/months to make your mind at least slightly change, no?
*sigh* Here we go again. entertaining the thought of trading Parker does not mean we hate him. He is a very good player but this team clearly needs allot of improving if it wishes to be able to sniff contention again. Unfortunately Tony is the only spur with enough trade Value to have means of improving the team. It has nothing to do with disrespecting Tony Parker. I wish myself that lame ass mister 15 mil named RJ could do it but sadly no team would touch him and his crappy contract with a 10 foot pole. So Tony is pretty much the only thing the Spurs have that can achieve such trades. When will you Parker homers understand this I don't know.
This is about improving the team not about individual players.
Parker isn't going anywhere. Most people on this forum severely overrate George Hill. Hill is a shooting guard that can play point guard for a few stretches of the game. He has become a great shooter, but he lacks play-making skills. This has been covered up due to Manu starting along side him. The plays were run through Manu, especially against good defensive teams.
One of the reasons we lost against Phoenix was the Suns ability to trap either Manu or TP on pick and rolls. Had the Spurs started both Parker and Manu, they would have made the Suns pay. Hill and Jefferson were too easy to cover. Hill has blossomed into a good player, but he still needs to find ways to penetrate against good defensive teams.
I wish people could appreciate what Parker brings to the Spurs. He can blow by any single defender. He is one of the best finishers in the league. He loves contact and is relentless all game. His jump shot has improved tremendously. He is the Spurs best transition player. His game translates very well with new rules for the league. The Spurs would be kicking themselves in a couple years, if they traded him for a big and Manu is on his last legs. George Hill is not the future pg for the Spurs.
the 3 guard rotation we have is awesome. why mess that up?
if TP chooses to play internationally this summer, my opinion will change.
i'm sure the Spurs will listen to all offers especially if it means they can unload RJs contract as well, but they better be getting a damn good player in return if they pull the trigger.
oh, and in order to rack up the assists, the so called shooters on this team need to hit their shots...and last i checked, mason is on a greyhound out of town and bonner is hopefully catching an airbus flight on his next vacation...
You can't possibly know that George Hill is nowhere near the level of Tony Parker on a long term basis. That's assinine to even say. Chances are he's not but it's wayyy too early to make that call. He's improved every bit as much as Parker did between years 1 and 2. I bet he's going to be a better shooter, rebounder, and overall defender.
trading parker right now just seems like a stupid idea unless we get some real value out of him
Yeah, why mess with a guard rotation that just got swept out of the playoffs in the second round?
Last edited by Agloco; 05-12-2010 at 04:46 PM.
Man Tony hit two HUGE jumpers in Game 3 against the Mavs that basically clinched the game. Assuming he's healthy the dude can ball, knows the system and has much championship experience. I think dealing him would be a huge mistake.
Yeah, why mess with a guard rotation that just got swept out of the playoff in the second round?
while you are rolling your eyes, look into you head and see if you can remember the lack of interior defense, the lack of a post game to speak of, and zero 3 point shooting threats.
those were the primary reasons for the sweep...not Hill, Manu, or Parker...
by the way, your avatar is top shelf!
j/k
For that you get a
1) Gino running the point was the best period of the Spurs this season but I agree he needs his minutes monitored. However he seemed healthy enough until that nose injury.
2) Yea that is true, before that hand injury TP looked like a 2009 Parker.
3) No one is saying Hill is a PG but he's been improving in just about every area of the game and hopefully will continue to do so. If Parker is traded it will be for a damn good deal.
This will be a NBA offseason for the ages. Teams will be losing their star players and needing to revamp their rosters - there will likely be great opportunities. As a Spurs fan they should definitely pursue a trade deal if Tony Parker places France ahead of a possibleespecially since Manu is taking this summer off and Parker's been injured all year and still is.
you bas !
dude, you know as well as i do that our guards are scorers and not shooters.
manu's broken nose had to affect his shooting.
tony is not a 3pt specialist.
hill, actually, hill from the corner was sweet...
bottomline, we needed those guys to drive to the cup and kick out to the 'shooters'....who were on the bench cuz they suck.
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