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    Thats what i dont get too. I understand every team is different and so is every player, but Lebrons team isnt a bunch of Scrubs...they got the #1 record and James got MVP for a reason.

    Thats why i asked the original question. If James cant win with teamates like he has now, i'd figure he needs a Wade caliber star to help him.
    Eastern conference

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    Jamison isn't a star, but Bynum, Odom, and Artest all are.
    The comparison made wasn't Jamison with Bynum, Odom, and Artest.

    The comparison made was Jamison with Pau Gasol.

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    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    Yes. "Can" as in is "capable of."

    Say we were able to simulate these playoffs with all the same factors and scenarios 10 times, all the same cir stances, injuries, opponents, coaching decisions.

    I'd estimate that LeBron and this same set of teammates would make it to the NBA Finals 6 or 7 times out of those 10 times. Right now, this is one of those other 3-4 times they probably won't.
    so in essence, the "lebron doesnt have teamates" excuse doesnt hold truth this year.

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    I gotta question....How come Cle used to OWN Boston at the Q last year & the year before when they were a lot less deeper? Now with a much better team they get abused 2 times there in one series, is weird hahaa...I know Rondo is better now but the big 3 is not as good as they were & Bostons bench used to be better.

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    so in essence, the "lebron doesnt have teamates" excuse doesnt hold truth this year.
    Yup.

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    i think Kobe and the Lakers would find a way to utilize him and get the maximum efficiency out of him. Definately not fail in the 2nd round.

    So are you saying that jamison is not good?
    so is kobe the coach of LA to "utilize" jamison correctly, or is PJ?
    so the question you want to ask is, Does Cleveland need a real coach? I agree, yes they do.

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    TheDrewShow is salty lefty's Avatar
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    so in essence, the "lebron doesnt have teamates" excuse doesnt hold truth this year.
    To be fair, he needs help to survive the Boston Tea Party

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    so in essence, the "lebron doesnt have teamates" excuse doesnt hold truth this year.
    Shrugs, sure.

    If that was your point, I wouldn't really call you on it. It's one way of looking at it. I don't view things in absolutes. Each year, things have to fall into place almost perfectly for a team to win it all. Sometimes, it's bad luck, injuries, a bad bounce. Sometimes a superstar player just has a poor playoff performance in a few games that costs a series.

    I don't think LeBron's teammates are all that great, but I do think LeBron is good enough individually that he "could" get the team he has now to the NBA Finals in the east. But I'll put it like this, I think if you put LeBron on a team like the Atlanta Hawks or Milwaukee Bucks (with a healthy Bogut), he "could" get to the NBA Finals with those teams too. My saying LeBron could get to the Finals with this Cavs team doesn't really speak on how "good" his teammates are. It speaks more to how good I think LeBron is. But that doesn't necessarily mean if he doesn't get to the NBA Finals, LeBron is a choker or just doesn't have enough to lead a team to a le. It could just as well mean things didn't fall into place for them to make a le run.

    I'm not who brought up any excuse for LeBron. He played poorly last night. It's not like when you're the best player in the league, it's easy to win every year, year after year. That's a perception based on the Michael Jordan standard. Duncan and Shaq and Kobe have been the best players the past decade and they each have had their struggles in the playoffs even when they were favored or should have gone further than they did. It happens.

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    The comparison made wasn't Jamison with Bynum, Odom, and Artest.

    The comparison made was Jamison with Pau Gasol.
    Oh, I know. I just think its funny that people refer to the Lakers as the "most stacked team in the league, by far" because of "allstars" like Bynum, Odom, and Artest, but Antawn Jamison, Shaq, Mo Williams, etc. are all scrubs despite putting up the same or better numbers.

    I'm 100% sure that if either of those three played for the Cavs, they'd have even worse numbers than they do now.

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    i think Kobe and the Lakers would find a way to utilize him and get the maximum efficiency out of him. Definately not fail in the 2nd round.

    So are you saying that jamison is not good?
    If the Lakers replace Pau Gasol with Antawn Jamison, I don't think the Lakers beat the Jazz. I know it was a sweep, but most of the games were relatively close until game 4 and Boozer and Millsap would have feasted on Jamison.

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    Jamison is an inefficient volume scorer + below average rebounder + bad passer + one of the worst defenders in the league.

    He had an excellent season in Dallas, where he showed he could be a high-level 6th man (guarding lesser players, with a much reduced usage rate).

    He's the Jamal Crawford of the bigs.

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    No. Gasol led a pretty average team to 50 wins and multiple times to the playoffs in the compe ive Western Conference.

    When Jamison was the franchise player on the Warriors, they were . The times he made it to the playoffs, he came off the bench for the Mavs or was the third best player on the Wizards.

    Decidedly different.
    Just stop. Please

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    Thats what i dont get too. I understand every team is different and so is every player, but Lebrons team isnt a bunch of Scrubs...they got the #1 record and James got MVP for a reason.

    Thats why i asked the original question. If James cant win with teamates like he has now, i'd figure he needs a Wade caliber star to help him.
    I think he just needs someone who is efficient, like how Houston got Kevin Martin, they need someone like that, just healthier. Still, there is absolutely no reason to be trailing an old ass Boston team

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    I guess the Cavs were dumb to do a trade for Jamison. What a scrub. Lebron probably does need a Wade type star.

    Finals, ECF exit, and now 2nd round. If he stays, he'll be out in the first round even if they get him a few more all-stars.

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    No reason for this current team not to be ATLEAST 7 games into the ECF.

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    Beware of the predator who uses genius techniques to bait prey. You can look all around nature to see how predators use innovative ways to bait prey. There is the mountain lion that has mastered this skill. After a kill the lion feeds on only about three-fourths of the kill for the next few days. At that point, the mountain lion will drag the carcass towards an open area and generally by some nearby rocks. There the mountain lion hides and waits patiently for other hungry predators that might happen to cross and smell the blood. When those scavengers start to feed, the mountain lion will fiercely attack them. Now the mountain lion can feed for weeks on those baited prey. By that I mean be wary of LeBron for he may merely be baiting the Celtics and the rest of the NBA and is waiting to strike for the kill, for LeBron is a skilled master-baiter.

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    Beware of the predator who uses genius techniques to bait prey. You can look all around nature to see how predators use innovative ways to bait prey. There is the mountain lion that has mastered this skill. After a kill the lion feeds on only about three-fourths of the kill for the next few days. At that point, the mountain lion will drag the carcass towards an open area and generally by some nearby rocks. There the mountain lion hides and waits patiently for other hungry predators that might happen to cross and smell the blood. When those scavengers start to feed, the mountain lion will fiercely attack them. Now the mountain lion can feed for weeks on those baited prey. By that I mean be wary of LeBron for he may merely be baiting the Celtics and the rest of the NBA and is waiting to strike for the kill, for LeBron is a skilled master-baiter.
    King Master-Baiter ftw. Lebron wins games 6 and 7 and I eat crow.

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    Shut the up and do a rain dance or some . James is the prey in your stupid little scenario.
    The gold frog often avoids land and stays primarily on or nearby water. This is an evolved behavior due to predators. With gold and purplish black spots, the gold frog is a very appealing meal for the black snake. The gold frog has a hard time traveling around land with the black snake all up in the grass. And by that I mean lakaluva has a hard time walking with Kobe all up in his ass.

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    lol native american ftw...

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    2009-2010 Wizards
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    RJ averaged like 20 ppg before we got him..

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    I just don't understand. He's a 2 time MVP, arguably the best player in the game teamed up with a 4xChampion, most dominant ever center. He has a legitimant and i believe pretty established All-star Forward in Antawn Jamison who they practically got for free. He has an All-Star point-guard in Mo Williams. He has a former All Star back up center in Big Z. He practically has the best 3 point shooters surrounding him.

    Does Lebron need another established #1 guy ala Dirk, Dwyane, Carmello, Howard to get him to ATLEAST the Finals again? Or is he just not finding a way to use his teammates full potential?
    Yeah, yeah.... and if they put Russell out there he'd have an 11-time NBA champion by his side right?

    I'm as big a LeBron hater as anyone, but your argument for him having everything he needs is horse . Take LeBron off that squad and the only thing they contend for is the lottery.

    And, lol @ former and one-time all stars.

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    Once again guys:

    Jamison
    2009-2010 Wizards
    20.5 ppg
    8.8 rpg
    45% fg

    Keep in mind that this was an addition without subtraction trade. Everyone one of us would have jumped for joy if we got Jamison in our team.



    Similar to Gasol?
    Gasol carried his team to the playoffs twice, nevermind the fact that you just compared a top-10 player in the NBA to Antawn Jameson, which is just plain re ed.

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    RJ averaged like 20 ppg before we got him..
    Good point.

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    Jameson is a nice player, but he's a third option on a champiosnhip team. still, i think the Cavs will make it to the Finals and give themselves a chance to win. the series isn't lost yet. if they win, no one remember anything about how Lebron choked.

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    Just stop. Please

    Stop what? More specific please.

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