oh Gasol was a top 10 players in 2007. Really?
oh so you knew they were gonna lose in the 2nd round this whole year?Yeah, yeah.... and if they put Russell out there he'd have an 11-time NBA champion by his side right?
I'm as big a LeBron hater as anyone, but your argument for him having everything he needs is horse . Take LeBron off that squad and the only thing they contend for is the lottery.
And, lol @ former and one-time all stars.
Jamison is similar to Gasol the same way Jamal Crawford is similar to Manu Ginobili or Joe Johnson.
Are these guys really this re ed?
lebron sure needs one good thing. A coach capable of making a team cause cavs ain't playing like one. It's almost crazy to think how lebron would develop under a great coach like pop for example.
Cavs are getting out-coached in all series. The result is they get exposed and when you get exposed it's even harder to play good ball. Lebron basically had one bad game. Cavs are simply not coached well, they've got no iden y, that sucked mike brown can not even motivate the ing team ( props to phil on this one, his ONLY great coaching trait tbh).
And LMAO at the q fans booing lebron. If i was in his place even if i win a ring i'd say excuuuse me and gtfo you ungrateful turds and "anything is possible in new york new york"
Yeap. And I'm also the only two time winner of the Powerball lottery...........
What does knowing that have anything to do with what's transpired? If they had made it to the promised land, we'd all be saying what a wonderful supporting cast he has. Why? Because they would have actually supported him when it mattered. Who knows, they still might.
I dont care about "we"...just tell me if you thought the Cavs were going to make the ECF or even the Finals.Yeap. And I'm also the only two time winner of the Powerball lottery...........
What does knowing that have anything to do with what's transpired? If they had made it to the promised land, we'd all be saying what a wonderful supporting cast he has. Why? Because they would have actually supported him when it mattered. Who knows, they still might.
Are you freaking kidding me? Cleveland bent over backwards for Lebron. And now he might bend them forward and screw them in the ass by leaving. If anyone is ungrateful it's him.
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word. The owner did everything he can to get whoever lebron wanted.
That's the biggest problem right there. At times it doesn't even seem like their running an offense. No ball movement and way to much one on one is making them predictable and easier to defend.
so let me get this straight. You tank to get bron so you're bending yourself as a club to get an awesome player.. seven years ago. You lose booze to fa. In spite of all ineptude this guy brings you a east banner with a roster that makes me scream "these guys have no business being there". You keep a coach that can only coach defensive schemes, that can not motivate , that can not coach offense . You throw 20 mil at shaq but you don't trade jj hickson for amare. You draft a B-league in europe in spite of dejaun blair. And yet still you get from this guy the best years in the club HISTORY, back to back 60-win seasons with one of them having 67. You are basically wasting the years of one-of-if-not-the-best player to ever pick a basketball with what: mo williams, 40yo shaq, mike brown?
I agree the fans are awesome but you don't just play for the fans. You also play for your legacy, and when you try and try and try and not get results from (insert from the previous paragraph) you have to try something else. It's valid for all jobs, all domains, all ages.
So come again, who bends who?
Even if Bosh goes with him he would have even less of a chance of winning in NY as in CLE. They would have two allstars, and 13 turds.
The owner should of realized that a winning team starts with a good coach. Lebron is a great player and has a good coaching mind a guess, but when you are on the field you can't keep your cool like when you're on the bench. No matter how cool you are as a player you NEED a coach. Basketball 101 and this mentality starts from the frontoffice, thus your proposition is not quite true.
Talentwise, marketwise it's partially true. Partially cause of booze fa, draft ups (eyenga lolwut), hickson too good for amare LOL. I know many don't like lebron but let's keep objective.
Cleveland has yet to put a top-10 player at his position next to LeBron since 05/06. Ilgauskas was one till that season, but other than that, there's nothing.
Maybe a top-15. We aren't talking about an All-NBA type of player, or an All-Star, neither about top-20 in the league, or a top-50 in the league. Just a guy who's a top-15 at his position in the NBA.
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I was reffering more to the entire city, not just the franchise. Fans aren't in control of what the franchise does. And dude's been treated like a god. And even if you take just the franchise into account, they still tried to do what it takes, threw money around so he would stay, it just didn't work out as well as it could/should. Or this year, 'it' should mean Lebron.
I didn't said they didn't try or they didn't treat him well. I said that if everybody tried for quite some time and it did not work then that's that. A change of scenery is needed. If you don't do that you are the mavs. Winning is not easy and not always perfectly moral and equitable for all involved, but even the fans must understand that lebron should change scenery for the sake of basketball history if not for anything else.
Furthermore 27/6/7.5 on 47% is not my definition of not working out for a team. A bad game is a bad game, even with it lebrons' game is mvpesque so whoever will say lebrons the fault is not right.
Look at what other guys have..
Dwight, Jameer, Vince and Lewis would all be the 2nd best player on Cleveland IMO..
Pau, Kobe, Bynum, Odom and maybe even Artest(arguable, I'm not a fan of his game though) would be the 2nd best player on Cleveland IMO..
Nash, Stoudemire and Richardson would all be the 2nd best player on Cleveland IMO..
Pierce, Garnett, Rondo and Ray Allen would all be the 2nd best player on Cleveland IMO..
This is just the talent we're talking about here..there's still the fact that their defensive frontcourt consists of Shaq and Jamison, arguably the worst defensive starting combo in the NBA..there's still the fact that Mike Brown has little to no ability at calling a good offense..there's still the fact that 3 of the top 5 players(Shaq, Jamison, Williams) are all defensive liabilities..
Cleveland is deep with talent, not top-tier talent, but deep with overall talent..unfortunately, the missing legit 2nd best player and the fact that they're a relatively poorly built team hurts them in the long run..Lebron can't do everything on every night..
Question: Why have you been saying Cleveland is gonna win it all year?
Orlando has been my pick for a while now..
I still wouldn't be that surprised if Cleveland won it, it's not like they're out yet..the reason I picked them in the top 2 is completely because of Lebron..he's levels above the rest of the NBA..
This year is playing out just like last year.
Cleveland will win the le. Err, nevermind, Magic will stomp the Lakers.
Result: Kobe #4
This year.
Cleveland will win the le. Err, nevermind, Magic will stomp the Lakers.
Result: Kobe #5
ps. It will be Celtics/Lakers in the Finals
i like the cavs, just not lebron and mo.
I think you are absolutely right. What made me hate him was just how disrespectful it was to stir up about his free agency when his team is paying him good money right now.
Its like coming to work and talking about joining another company for more money.
Its just arrogant and classless.
Cleveland fans deserve better for him. All he had to do was tell people to shutup and talk about the FA when it comes.
Odom, Bynum, and Artest would all disappear behind a cloud of chalk just like Lebrons other teammates if they went to Cleveland.
I am 100% sure that within 3 months everyone would be talking about how they were all a bunch of scrubs and Lebron has no help as their production dropped even further than it is now and the Cavs went out in the 2nd round.
i don't know what you're arguing. you're just saying stuff to say stuff.
in 2007 Kobe Bryant did not win an NBA championship. he didn't in in 2008, either, when Gasol was a top-10 player. finally, in 2009, he won and by that time Gasol had established himself as a top-10 player, and probably top 8-7 for that matter.
don't even get into an argument about whether Jameson has Pau's potential (if that's what your trying to do), or could be made into a second option on a championship team. anybody who has any basektball sense can tell you that. Pau is a legit. second option that led his team to a fifty win season one year and then i believe a 48 win season the following year. that destroys your argument that Pau never won anything before LA. And Kobe has done little to improve Pau's game. has he benefited from it? Sure. But Kobe has benefited from Pau as well. that's just naturally what happens when you put two great players together whose game's fit. Pau is actually much the same player offensively as he was in Memphis. defensively is where he's made strides, and Kobe has nothing to do with that.
i don't know why you mentioned '07, really. if you're trying to say that Kobe made Gasol into what he is, that's just plain ridiculous. Gasol has always been better than Jameson. way better, in fact.
, it's actually a fact that, when healthy, Andrew Bynum is better than Jameson. i'm pretty sure most people think Bynum > Jameson. a good percentage of people would say Odom > Jameson as well.
btw, i always thought this Cavs team was always built up way too much. i saw them in SA, and thought they were overrated. Lebron, as good as he is (the best in the league), won't be able to get it done without a guy of Gasol's-caliber. he'll need someone like Bosh. however, he can do more with what he's got that anyone in the league,t hat's for sure.
^^Lebron making his teamates better. hahha....right.
Cowherd is one of the most idiotic people on ESPN, and his sexual frustration with Beadle is so obvious it's pathetic.Did anyone listen to Cowherd today? He was talking about how Lebron had the right to not play well and see if his teammates could step up, because he had an important business decision. I would never hire Cowherd for my company.
So if Cowherd isn't feeling respected enough, he's just going to go on the air and do a crappy job? Not to mention the pathos of Cleveland's sports scene, and Lebron saying he would do everything to get them a championship.
Cowherd is a frigging putz.
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