i heard that if paul george would have stayed in school for another year he would of been a top 10 pick in the 2011 nba draft
What I find interesting is to rank them by their 3 point shoot:
3 points made by 40 minutes (with the 3P% between parenthesis):
1. Xavier Henry: 2.7 (41.8%)
2. James Anderson: 2.6 (34.1%)
3. Paul George: 2.5 (35.3%)
4. Gordon Hayward: 1.5 (29.4%)
5. Damion James: 1.4 (38.3%)
6. Luke Babbitt: 1.3 (41.6%)
7. Stanley Robinson: 0.9 (34.2%)
8. Quincy Pondexter: 0.6 (35.3%)
9. Deven Ebanks: 0.1 (10%)
you mean he takes and posts nude pictures and adds 100 lbs?
Paul George's Fresno State was really mediocre this year, as in pretty bad. They had a couple miserable performances late in the year, getting creamed by the likes of Utah State and San Jose State (!).
Actually he gets dinged for average athleticism along with his lack of an in-between game (i.e. lives on jumpshot). But, given his youth and ability to shoot, I think the Spurs would be lucky to see him fall to them.
I liken him to Martell Webster with *gulp* prime Michael Finley as upside.
Prime Michael Finley was an all star stud.
Oh I know...just thought the name may draw some immediate criticism. It's a good gulp.
No Da'Sean Butler? Or is he considered a shooting guard in the draft? He played more of a small forward position at WVU last year, though.
he tore his acl
If Xavier Henry is there you take him without thinking.
Haywood is probably a better shooter than his percentages show last year. As a spot-up shooter he might be really good.
Babbitt is strange in that his 3s per game are so relatively low for a guy known for his range.
Ebanks both doesn't have the shot nor the character to be the right pick. I wonder if Pondexter disqualifies himself for a pick this high for the same reason.
I still like James Anderson. seems much on here don't mention this kid a lot. I like Henry,Anderson and George.
Don't like robinson or pondexter.
unsure about hayward.
James Anderson is definitely under the radar around here. He's been passed up so far becuase of concerns about bad defense.
As a WVU fan, I'm aware of that, but I still find it hard to believe that there are 16 SFs that are going to be drafted ahead of him.
If he does fall that low, someone is going to get a steal. Hopefully, it'll be us.
I definitely wouldn't rank Ebanks ahead of Butler. Ebanks was not that good last year. He rebounded well and made some good plays, but he can't shoot and is pretty skinny. He's certainly a project. Plus, I'm not a huge fan of his at ude.
There always seems like there are 20 small forwards who are going to be prime time NBA players every year and about 5 make it.
My five with some surprise
1. Turner
2. Johnson
3. Henry
4. George
5. Babbitt
I can't wait till DX does there advanced stats stuff on SF's, looking at things like 3pt% open, 3pt% off the dribble, Points per possesion etc. I'm not sure where that data would be, though I think that advanced stats can be helpful(e.g., We can probably guess that any prospect that we get will probably be taking open corner 3's(The traditional non ball handling shot for perimeter players), have to be able to defend true SF's, as they'll be playing with Hill or Manu almost all of the time , so they'll be defending the Anthony's, Pierces, Durants of the World. I think advanced stats will help with the analysis of that.
agree about Henry. if he is there, you take him. some mocks have his stock falling, but I think the chance he falls to #20 is lower than 1%. he is the hands down best shooter in this draft and so many of the lottery teams are desperate for shooting. he will go top ten. (my guess is Clippers at #8) no chance he falls lower than Grizzlies at #12.
Hayward will very likely also be out of our area. he has the most potential and highest upside of all SFs outside the lottery bound players. one team will take the risk.
Here's my top 3. Like AFBlue, I've left out players that I feel will not be there when the Spurs draft(no, I don't think Henry will be there). In looking at the prospects, I have ranked them according to NBA readiness and ability to contribute in the most areas.
1. Quincy Pondexter
There is a ton to like about this kid. He is a good ball handler that does not turn the ball over, he is a good rebounder on both ends and despite popular opinion he can shoot. Something that I think keeps getting overlooked in his shooting is PPS on his jumpers, which is 0.94. As DX has mentioned that's pretty damn good for someone who shot a lot of contested jumpers. There is no reason to believe it will get worse when he is playing off the Big 3 and shooting while wide open. He also moves very well without the ball and can finish when attacking the rim, drawing contact and sinking free throws at a 83% clip(Mind you, these are things the Spurs expected out of RJ). As many have said, the jury is still out on his ability from distance due to lack of sample size. This is something he will need to show NBA teams he can do during workouts this summer.
Defensively, he is the most NBA ready of the group and this is the biggest reason he tops my wish list. His effort, fundamentals and awareness on rotations are something the Spurs really need on the perimeter...even moreso than 3pt shooting IMO. The Suns destroying the Spurs in the playoffs had just as much...if not more to do with poor defensive rotations as it had to do with lack of 3pt shooting.
2. Paul George
There is no debate here...this kid can shoot. He has a nice looking shot and can drain the 3 ball. Though he is not that big bulk-wise, he is very athletic and has improved greatly at finishing around the rim, getting to the line and sinking his free throws when he gets there(90%!). He's a good defensive rebounder and a good passer...both things that are important to the Spurs. He can be considered the official "oozing with upside" pick of this draft when picking at this point in the first round.
There are a few red flags with him though that suggest a lack of focus. He turns the ball over at a higher rate than he gets assists. He also has the tools to be a good defender but doesn't put in the effort that is necessary. His energy level at times also leaves much to be desired. He can get steals due to his length, but he will need to work on dialing in on the defensive end if he plans to stay on the floor with the Spurs or any other team(well, maybe except the Warriors). All in all, I don't think he will be much more than a shooter off the bench next season as he will need time to develop the finer points of his game.
3. Gordon Hayward
Hayward has all the tools to be the perfect role player...and as DX mentioned, he should excel in that arena instead of having to be the man like he was at Butler. He has great length at 6'8 and can shoot from anywhere. I think that much of the decline in his 3pt shooting has to do with him being the offensive focus for Butler. He is also a great defensive rebounder for a SF. To put it in perspective, Dejuan Blair averaged 6.8 defensive rebounds per game in his last season at Pitt and Hayward averaged 6.3 last year almost the same amount of minutes. That's pretty good company.
He's a very intelligent player that plays within his limits...as his athleticism is questionable. This also makes him hard to project defensively. However, this does not mean he will automatically be a bad defender, as he shows good effort and makes good decisions on the defensive end. One only has to look as far as JJ Re to see that there are players out there that can become good team defenders and passable man defenders at the NBA level when they work hard, play smart and stay within themselves.
I really like this kid. He's very close to George on my list.
As far as the rest go, I don't feel they are worth guaranteed money at the 20th pick(with the exception of Henry if he falls). Robinson doesn't do any one thing well except be athletic. Anderson can shoot, but doesn't have much upside beyond that and will get destroyed on defense by wings at the next level. Ebanks has character issues and Babbit is a lesser version Hayward.
I like the list benefactor...I would rank George #1 cause of his shooting and again I will ask you, do you think poindexter is better defensively than hairston?
one has to wonder too what the plans for james gist are and how this would effect our pick
At this point I think Gist is on the Viktor Sanikidze plan.
i believe so as well. he did not impress in last year's summer league or preseason so i have to be thinking he is not ever going to be on our roster.
They are probably close, but I think Pondexter is a much more complete player on the offensive end and is a better rebounder.
I dont know, I will have to wait for the predraft measurements to make my decesion on this kid. I see a player who is probably really 6'5 (hairston is really 6'4) who just doesnt seem to do anything very well. I am really hoping the spurs are looking for a shooter instead of an athletic SF who rebounds well since we already have hairston or Gee who can feel that void.
Nice job, benefactor.
I've really slacked on the Draft this year and am nowhere as in tune as I've been in the past.
I like Pondexter but I haven't seen as much as I'd like to give a great scout. Watching the tournament though, I liked his purpose and confidence. He's not a wallflower and I think he's got the toughness you'd hope for. Good energy, athleticism and seemingly length, so I'd be fine with his selection; but I honestly don't know enough to be enthused or disappointed with his selection either.
As far as Hayward, instead of using Re as an example of a lesser athlete doing a credible job defensively, I'd look to Dudley; Haywood might actually even be a better athlete than him. I actually think his athleticism is going to surprise some. I'm not certain of his quickness (stop-and-go wise) but he's actually a pretty fluid athlete that just seems to play at a more deliberate pace; exploding and only fully utilizing his athleticism to complete or make the play. Not a lot of wasted movement or energy from what I've been able to glean. He just seemed to be a pretty tough, intelligent player, that had good size and some guard skills; you could definitely see he played a lot of a play-making roles as a youth (maybe even a point guard) and that he had the mind too excel at the game. If I had to guess, I'd say he's got what it takes to be a rotation player/role-player for a winner. Maybe even a championship-caliber team.
Uhhh he defends and attacks the rim really well....
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