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    By Henry Abbott

    LeBron James is 25 years old, and has played 70 playoff games in which he has averaged 29 points, eight rebounds and seven assists.

    His career playoff PER is better than Michael Jordan's. Remember that Jordan's
    playoff PER wasn't marred by the Washington years. This is all Bulls.

    Leave the "is James better than Jordan" discussion for another decade. The message is that five seasons into his playoff life, James stacks up well against the very best ever, in terms of production, defense, playoff wins and anything else you can measure or see with your eyes. He almost never has bad games.


    Forgive me a detour: I remember being a kid at Blazer games in the old Memorial Coliseum. Those Clyde Drexler/Terry Porter teams inspired us fans countless times in the playoffs. Much like the Cavaliers to date, they didn't win a le, but they competed so hard and won more than enough to convince everyone that they had our best interests at heart. Now and again, if they fell far behind in a game, the fans would take a turn to lead. The team would be having its worst quarter in a month, and the faithful would rise and cheer like crazy. It was our turn to lift their spirits, after having it go the other way so many times.

    Instead of questioning them, abandoning them or even hating them, fans showed a little love, like you would to a family member having a bad day.

    Because, although it seems to come as a shock to many, even James has bad days. So did Jordan, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Oscar Roberston and everybody else. So do you! And that's OK.

    The "LeBacle" may soon prove to have been
    one of the darkest moments in Cleveland's miserable sports history.

    But please, spare us the assertion that after one bad night we know James has always had a permanent flaw.
    It's just absurd, and amazingly some of it's coming from the faithful in Cleveland.
    Twitter, Internet comments, my e-mail inbox, Facebook, all are loaded to the gills with talk that he's doomed to mediocrity, psychologically deficient or was intentionally tanking.

    As if those 69 playoff contests and 548 regular-season games were the aberration, and this one horrible night was the truth. As if the guy who scored 25 straight against the Pistons in a similar situation needs a lecture, from Twitter, on embracing the challenge.

    Somebody should make a big list of all those people who think they now know James is a doomed player, and we'll revisit in a decade.

    A couple picked, unfairly, almost at random ... this one happens to come from the comments of a tremendous Kevin Arnovitz video post about James:
    ChicoEscuela: I'm a Cleveland fan who has been watching Bron play since high school. ... His legacy got tarnished last night. He should no longer be mentioned in the same sentence with MJ ever again.
    And another:
    RWABO8: ... he's psychologically tweaked. Whether it's last night or refusing to shake hands last year, it's like he's gone through some kind of arrested development. You wonder if he missed something about teamwork and sportsmanship by never playing college hoops. This weakness will continue to hamstring his game until he sorts it out, or until he goes to a team that doesn't need him to play as big a role. The Cavs needed a big man in the classic sense last night, not the basketball sense. And King James acted like a peasant.
    Maybe Cleveland fans are just bitter about the way James has teased them in the lead-up to free agency. Maybe a lot of this commentary is fueled by Kobe Bryant fans, eager to prove theirs is the better man.

    Or maybe, after watching the Cavaliers roll to a 26-8 (before last night) home playoff record through James' five playoff runs, Cleveland fans have been spoiled. Whatever the cause, people are acting rotten.

    Whatever James is doing, in terms of killer mentality, pre-game routines, workout regimens, shot selection ... it has been about as effective as humans can be. I
    f you watched his first 69 playoff games, you would have to assume that he has this playoff thing figured out.

    After one bad showing, even while playing injured, fans are booing on their way to the exits?
    James hasn't earned a single mulligan?

    Even the owner is distancing himself from the team. I know Dan Gilbert hardly bailed on his players, but in their moment of need, he reminded people that he did his part, but the players didn't. Would it have been so hard to say something like "if we have to be down 3-2, I'd rather be there with LeBron James on my side?"

    I don't know what's going to happen in this series. But I know that past performance is the best indication of future results, and James' has been as good as it gets. There may be something -- an injury, fatigue, who knows -- keeping James from being himself. But there's nothing about being himself that's keeping him from winning.

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    Fully agreed. Cleveland fans are being absolutely pathetic.

    What's funny is that LeBron James was way worse in the 08 series vs. the Celtics. In this one, he's averaring 26.8ppg on a TS% of 56.5% + 7.4rpg + 6.6apg + shutting down Paul Pierce or Rajon Rondo depending on who he's guarding.

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    Cleveland is just a pathetic city that will never have any success in any of their sports..they have a once in a lifetime talent on their team, he's taken their horrible franchise to an NBA Finals, some ECFs and semis, 60 win seasons..he's brought them more hype than they could have imagined, he's probably the only reason the casual fan even knows their franchise exists..

    Now they're jumping off the bandwagon, even though the series isn't over yet..

    Lebron needs to come to NY already..he would be a God here..Knick fans haven't had in 10 years, they'll be tickling his balls if he got the team to the ECSF next year, let alone an NBA Finals..

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    Lebron needs to come to NY already..he would be a God here..Knick fans haven't had in 10 years, they'll be tickling his balls if he got the team to the ECSF next year, let alone an NBA Finals..

    I take it you're gonna go back to being a Knicks fan once they get Lebron?

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    No, I'll never be a Knicks fan, but I like to see NY basketball succeed..a lot of my friends are Knicks fans, I'd like to see their team do well too..

    I'm also a Lebron fan, as everybody can see, so I'd like to see him go somewhere where he will be appreciated..NY would never boo him..

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    Can't blame Cavs fans. Lebron is the only thing going for them and he's about to leave the city with a bad taste in their mouth.

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    what do you mean whats wrong with them? Hes talking about sleeping with other women while he's married.

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    Look, the city of Cleveland is dying for a le. Of course they're going to act insane when the biggest start they've had in decades doesn't seem to be giving it 100%, or isn't driving to the lane and settling for jumpers instead.

    They're half-crazed, thinking that they had a good chance at a le this year. To lose in the second round? Unthinkable.

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    First of all, Henry Abbott can't possibly understand what being a Cleveland fan is all about. He's a Portland guy. No MLB, no NFL- all they have in that city is the Blazers. So of course the people there are going to expend every last inch of fervor they have on that team. They don't have any other options. We do.

    Second of all, yeah, we're going to turn on LeBron when he fails. It's not as if he's a Josh Cribbs-type, an undrafted free agent who came out of nowhere to become a superstar. He's THE KING. THE CHOSEN ONE. He was billed as the savior of this franchise as an 18-year old high-school senior. When there's that degree of build-up it makes the fallout that much more severe.

    (I also said months ago on this forum that there's an undercurrent of discontent with LeBron in Cleveland. He's tweaked his nose at this fan base too many times, flirted with New York too many times, worn Yankees caps in public too many times. He's held in awe for his basketball skills, but I wouldn't say he's loved- not in the way guys like, say, Bernie Kosar were. I don't even think he's that well-liked. That's how you get people like me who were basically waiting for the chance to jump LeBron's and run him out of town.)

    Third, there's the starvation, the utter desperation, for a le. That increases the bitterness when a debacle like last night's takes place.

    Fourth, I have to laugh at a bandwagon Spurs fan from NYC who claims LeBron would be "more appreciated" in that city. Had LeBron put on that kind of sorry performance in a Knick uniform he would have been booed right out of Madison Square Garden. Look at the way Yankees fans treated A-Rod for years, and he's a truly great player.

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    JoeTait just bukkaked this entire thread

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    WGAF if he wears Yankee caps?

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    Okay, it seems the answer is that the problem with Cleveland fans is that they're basketball illiterate and over-emotional.

    LBJ is having a great playoffs. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

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    WGAF if he wears Yankee caps?

    Someone who doesn't know all black people in the country cheer for the Yankees.

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    Okay, it seems the answer is that the problem with Cleveland fans is that they're basketball illiterate and over-emotional.
    Whatever you say. You don't have to be Hubie Brown to recognize a big smelly turd.

    LBJ is having a great playoffs.
    Yup, he's been great for the Celtics.

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    So the two people who don't understand where JoeTait is coming from:

    The bandwagon Spurs fan in NY
    The bandwagon Celts fan in Spain

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    Fourth, I have to laugh at a bandwagon Spurs fan from NYC who claims LeBron would be "more appreciated" in that city. Had LeBron put on that kind of sorry performance in a Knick uniform he would have been booed right out of Madison Square Garden. Look at the way Yankees fans treated A-Rod for years, and he's a truly great player.

    Real talk.

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    What gets me is that every other fan base can rip into their team and players- Mavs fans can rip into Dirk, Suns fans can rip into Nash, Lakers fans can rip into Kobe- but Cavaliers fans are just supposed to be a bunch of battered wives putting up with LeBron laying down like a dog in a must-win game.

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    It is pretty funny NYfan of all people is talking when NY has by far the most fickle fan base in the country.

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    Okay, it seems the answer is that the problem with Cleveland fans is that they're basketball illiterate and over-emotional.

    LBJ is having a great playoffs. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
    I think you can be disappointed with his performance last night while still realizing he's a stellar player and has performed at a high level throughout the series.

    And over-emotional? Eh, if I had to go through what Cleveland has, I would be.

    I still remember when the Pats won their first championship. I was cheering my head off outside my dorm room. And being pissed off all day last year when the Colts beat them.

    When the Red Sox won that Game 3 and 4 against the Yankees, I've never felt so amazed in my entire life. The Idiots did it.

    And when the Celtics won? Over the Lakers? Just sweet... I was extremely happy for the whole team, especially Pierce.

    I watch sports because I take emotion in it. Others may watch for the love of the game only, but I like investing part of myself into the teams I root for.

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    Fourth, I have to laugh at a bandwagon Spurs fan from NYC who claims LeBron would be "more appreciated" in that city. Had LeBron put on that kind of sorry performance in a Knick uniform he would have been booed right out of Madison Square Garden. Look at the way Yankees fans treated A-Rod for years, and he's a truly great player.
    ARod was a perennial playoff choker..he ALWAYS choked in the playoffs, despite being paid a historical amount of money..he's not an original Yankee like Jeter, either..

    Lebron has been a Cav his entire career, he was raised around that pathetic city..he has never choked in the playoffs..one game doesn't change that..turning on a guy for 1 bad game is one of the saddest sights I've ever seen..a guy that averaged 37/8/8 or whatever it was in last year's ECF, a guy that led a team to the NBA Finals, a guy that scored 40 in a game 7 vs. Boston, a guy that had one of the greatest performances of all-time vs. Detroit..that guy is far from a playoff choker, and booing him for 1 game is so ridiculous..

    I'm far from a bandwagoner, my location doesn't change that..it should be obvious by the fact that I'm still a Spur fan and spend a lot of time discussing the Spurs here, despite 2 disappointing seasons in a row..

    Hopefully the Cavs' franchise is relocated soon..

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    Boston fan should understand better than most the frustration that builds during a Championship drought. They should know very well from their experience with the Red Sox.

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    Uh, it's not just "booing"..did you not read what these people are saying about Lebron?..are you serious right now?..they're bashing him and most fans on Cavs boards are just trashing him and calling him mentally weak/soft..

    I know a lot of insecure fans have a complex when NY is involved, especially here, but get serious..if Lebron joins the Knicks and ever gets booed, I'll never post here again..

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    So the two people who don't understand where JoeTait is coming from:

    The bandwagon Spurs fan in NY
    The bandwagon Celts fan in Spain
    Plus the writer of the article.

    I understand where he's coming from: they're a bunch of emos, who have some weird traumas with the their sports history and with baseball caps .

    If this isn't really about basketball but about that kind of childish stuff, I really don't care much. It was the idea that a guy putting 26.8ppg/7.4rpg/6.6apg with crazy efficiency and All-NBA defense is having a bad series that I was finding laughable. Now, if it has nothing to do with basketball but with their emotional well-being, that's none of my business.

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    Uh, it's not just "booing"..did you not read what these people are saying about Lebron?..are you serious right now?..they're bashing him and most fans on Cavs boards are just trashing him and calling him mentally weak/soft..

    Yeah, NY fan didn't say any mean stuff about Arod.

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    ARod was a perennial playoff choker..he ALWAYS choked in the playoffs, despite being paid a historical amount of money..he's not an original Yankee like Jeter, either
    Typical New York BS. ARod is a great, great player. Period. He wasn't the problem in those postseason losses, it was the sorry Yankee pitching staff that did them in.

    As for Jeter, well, he hit .176 during the ALDS against the Indians a few years ago, accounted for something like 19 outs in 17 at-bats, was absolutely awful, and what did Yankees fans do? They blamed ARod.

    Face it, you treated a great player like absolute garbage for years.

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    Typical New York BS. ARod is a great, great player. Period. He wasn't the problem in those postseason losses, it was the sorry Yankee pitching staff that did them in.

    As for Jeter, well, he hit .176 during the ALDS against the Indians a few years ago, accounted for something like 19 outs in 17 at-bats, was absolutely awful, and what did Yankees fans do? They blamed ARod.

    Face it, you treated a great player like absolute garbage for years.

    pwned

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