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Isn't crime down in most statistical categories? What 'more' crime are we suffering? El Paso, right across the border from one of the most violent cities in Mexico is one of the safest cities in Texas...
Do say more.
Isn't crime down in most statistical categories? What 'more' crime are we suffering? El Paso, right across the border from one of the most violent cities in Mexico is one of the safest cities in Texas...
look jack comparing slavery to this legislation wasn't the intention of his post. it was an example of an issue that the majority favored at one time. the issue isn't slavery ,as you want it to be, rather it's the notion that slavery was inherently bad... the majority favored something that was inherently bad...
got it now?
http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/files/pdf/hb2162.pdf
C. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY,
CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY NOT CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS SECTION EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY THE UNITED STATES OR ARIZONA CONS UTION.
Why do you guys keep saying a majority favored slavery? Is there some data to back this up?
slavery was an accepted practice at one time... you do know that don't you?
google: Civil War
Which makes El Paso sort of an outlier. Can you name any other major cities with one of the most violent cities right across the border?
A funny thing about El Paso....it possesses few suburbs, so the stats get smoothed by the outlying, "burb" areas. When you look at Dallas stats, you don't get Highland Park, Plano, Addison, Richardson, etc added into the mix. I think if you could take the metropolitan area of El Paso and parse their stats, then EP would probably rank mid-pack.
I still haven't sorted out where I stand on this law. But I do acknowledge that AZ has a different perspective on this than TX or CA.
I read somewhere that illegals in "Phoenix?" County are 9% of the population, but commit more than 30% of the crimes.
Many Mexicans are fleeing their country because of the rising violence and kidnappings.
Gov. Perry activated the border violence spillover plan a couple of months ago.
It's a huge problem that we have mostly ignored.
So what can they consider?
Is it?
Now, there are certainly some serious high-profile crimes committed by illegal immigrants that get a lot of attention, but some might be exaggerating the scope of the problem.
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/may...ime-20100503/2
now that's persuasive!
I also have to wonder how "somewhere" got a population metric on a group that doesn't fill out censi or polls?
1 out of 5 peeps in county jail there are illegals. 1 out of 7 in state prisons there are illegals.
So putting even more in there is really going to fix this immigration problem?
Don't forget cops can't deport anybody...
and yet while the illegal immigration population has increased 5 times over the violent and property crime rates of the state have continued to steadily decline.
http://bjsdata.ojp.usdoj.gov/dataonl...atebyState.cfm
your first mistake was thinking I'm trying to persuade you.
These are the statistics I found per Maricopa County(includes Phoenix) District Attorney's Office. 9% Illegal population disproportionately commit crimes.
33.5% of those sentenced for manufacture, sale or transport of drugs.
As far as the drop in Violent Crimes for Phoenix from 2004 to 2008. That's true too, but here is what the county attorney had to say about that
"Thomas also attributed the lower crime rates to a 30 percent decrease in illegal immigration over the same period, citing recent figures by the Center for Immigration Studies."
thanks for the link. i think the most telling part was:your first mistake was thinking I'm trying to persuade you.
These are the statistics I found per Maricopa County(includes Phoenix) District Attorney's Office. 9% Illegal population disproportionately commit crimes.
what are these a percentage of? these stats make no sense. 33.5 % of what ? and more importantly where are these stats from. they are not from the link that you provided.
As far as the drop in Violent Crimes for Phoenix from 2004 to 2008. That's true too, but here is what the county attorney had to say about that
"Thomas also attributed the lower crime rates to a 30 percent decrease in illegal immigration over the same period, citing recent figures by the Center for Immigration Studies."
Thomas did not offer specific evidence showing the illegal-immigrant population decrease is linked to the decrease in crime.
James Holmes, a spokesperson for the Phoenix Police Department, hesitated to link the decrease in crime rates with a decline in illegal immigration. "You can't put a finger on that," Holmes said. "You can't say that one is a cause of the other."
of course not, especially since over the years there have been too many numerical fluctuations to then suddenly use only a 2 year window as the meat of your argument. how would you explain the preceding decade?
He can't...the numbers just don't support the wing-nut talking point that more illegals automatically equals more crime...but that won't stop them from repeating it...
these numbers make no sense in this context. 35.3 and 20.3 % of what? and where is this link from?your first mistake was thinking I'm trying to persuade you.
These are the statistics I found per Maricopa County(includes Phoenix) District Attorney's Office. 9% Illegal population disproportionately commit crimes.
and go figure that illegals would disproportionately be involved in crimes involving forged do ents and false IDs.
you're dumb, you don't understand the first part, but understand the second.
You made up your mind before reading the law or knowing the statistics and you're working backwards.
again, I'm not trying to persuade you or nut job Dan of anything. You want to provide statistics and well thought out arguments fine, I'll listen and formulate an opinion later. However, I take it you're trying to win something here
And you're not? Make your case, 2cents.
Are you just writing on the bathroom stall?
you're dumb, you don't understand the first part, but understand the second.
You made up your mind before reading the law or knowing the statistics and you're working backwards.
again, I'm not trying to persuade you or nut job Dan of anything. You want to provide statistics and well thought out arguments fine, I'll listen and formulate an opinion later. However, I take it you're trying to win something here
well you have convinced people of one thing: that you don't know what you're talking about
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