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Is Pau Gasol an intangible aswell?
I know you were proud of yourself for that last line thinking it all poetic, but that is complete bull .
Sometimes teams are just flat out better than other teams and no amount of intangibles would make a lick of difference.
Take your 60s Lakers. You don't think those teams had "intangibles," especially with the so-called Mr. Clutch, Logo Jerry West, and a determination to win but just ran into better and more talented Celtics teams?
Now in last night's case, the Celts had the intangibles while the Cavs were lacking. They were more cohesive and responded to the challenge with a lot more guts than the Cavs. But to accuse le-less teams of lacking will and grit and the desire to win is a flat out fallacy.
I know what you're implying. You think the Lakers are somehow blessed by god and magically imbued with "intangibles" and that certain championship "it" factor, when in fact, throughout the Lakers history, they've spent the most amount of money, always had the most talent, and have never had to truly rebuild given the way they can always attract high-profile free-agents.
Now, I'm not deriding that, mind you, or "hating", I'm just trying to articulate to you that smaller Franchises have a much more difficult time winning and it's not because a lack of "intangibles."
Is Pau Gasol an intangible aswell?
LOL intangibles. Replace LeBron with any other player in the league and the Cavs would pull a Heat.
I've seen this before anyway, with Jordan it was the same thing, he just wasn't a winner.
harlem come at me bro
And then he was a winner.
Ain't nobody stoppin' James. It's a free country.
To this point he's failed chronologically, and for that, he pays.
No wonder Nike stopped airing the puppet commercials..They dont even trust Lebron to get to the finals with his most stacked team ever...LOL at regular season champions 2 years straight.
I recognize them..the problem is that the only guy in the NBA that seems to get credit for it is Kobe..
Why is this a question?..Let me ask you this Harlem...when was the last time Kobe stumbled when he had the best and deepest team in the league? When he was a favorite?
When has Lebron ever had the best and deepest team?..
What does winning MVP and winning 60 games have to do with anything?..LeBron?
Back to back 60 win seasons. Back to back MVP's.
Back to back ing choke jobs.
In the 2nd round? REALLY?!
Their team won that many games because of Lebron..the fact that they're a poorly constructed team with no legit #2 player is irrelevant during the regular season, but once the playoffs come and opposing coaches start to intensely game plan, they easily exploit flawed teams like the Cavs..
Lebron had a great playoffs other than these last 2 games..
I don't know how you can possibly call last year a choke job for Lebron..putting up 37/8/8 in the ECF is a choke job?..that was one of the best individual series' of all-time, despite losing..
What excuses?..I'm sick of the media and his fans continuously comingu p with excuses for the guy....at some ing point in his career...Bron is going to have to step up.
Get off his ing nuts Harlem.
Are you actually saying he has a legit championship team around him?..
Are you actually saying Jamison is a legit #2 guy?..
Are you actually saying Shaq-Jamison isn't one of the worst defensive frontcourts in NBA playoff history?..
Kobe clearly quit vs. Phoenix, but I'm not even talking about that..Lebron didn't quit, he just had poor games vs. an elite defensive team that has held him to worse games in the past..
The same team that completely dominated Kobe during the 2008 NBA Finals, even though he had 2 teammates that would be the 2nd best player on Lebron's team..
Kobe vs. Detroit in the Finals was a lot worse..
Time is up for what?..
He's the best player on the planet..he's taken a ty team to the NBA Finals and multiple ECFs..he has won 2 MVPs..he's had some playoff games that will be forever be remembered..
He's only 25 years old..
He doesn't need one right now..he's done fine without one..a post game wouldn't have made any difference in the games vs. Boston TBH..ZERO POST GAME.
Lebron shot 35% on jump shots in his rookie season..he shot it at 44% this season..9% is an amazing improvement IMO, clearly he has worked on his shot to the point where it's reliable..the fact that it failed him for 2 games is irrelevant, it happens to everybody..NO RELIABLE JUMPER.
His 3-point % this season was better than Kobe's too..
His jump shot has improved by 9% from his rookie season, a huge increase..The guy has not improved one single aspect of his game. Yes his numbers have improved...maturity...natural progression. But what aspect of his game has he improved on while in the league Harlem? Give me one?
He was an average defender when he entered the NBA, he's now an elite defender..if not an elite individual defender, then certainly an elite help defender..
Lebron is clearly a very good individual defender, and he's clearly an elite help defender..Paul Pierce, a very good player, couldn't do anything against Lebron for the entire series..at least he had the balls to defend him in these huge games, unlike a certain somebody..His man defense? Still a ing joke. I guess yo ucan say his timing on his "OMG IMA WHILE ANNOUNCING GREATEST BLOCK EVER" fastbreak blocks have improved.
Link?..The guy does not give a . Thats the bottom line.
He is all about $$$ and not about
I played compe ive HS ball with multiple division 1 players, I constantly played vs. a current NBA player(Telfair) and I could have been a walk-on at St. Johns this year(as I said in the Spurs forum last Summer) but I wouldn't have been getting paid or gotten a scholarship, so it was pointless..
The fact that I played compe ive basketball doesn't mean anything..
A player being a hard worker is not an argument..working hard leads to improvement in your game, which shows in your overall effectiveness on the court..it shouldn't have any bearing in an X player vs. X player argument..
Desire to win is impossible to quantify..again, I've NEVER heard this in an argument for anybody other than Kobe..how do people know he has more of a desire to win than anybody else?..making a stupid scowl face during games doesn't mean you want to win more..
Defense is the only thing I can measure with my eyes..
I've never said that stats are the only argument..my point is that "desire to win" and "killer instincts" can't be argued by anybody..nobody is inside the head of a player, nobody knows any of this, nobody knows if it's just an act, you can't measure this..the only people that ever use this argument are people that are arguing in favor of Kobe, TBH..Look at Lebrons game tonight.
27/19/10 on 8-21 shooting and 9 turnovers
Not a bad night other than the turnover issues. It was triple double. But what is the talk all about? He didnt look right, there was no sense of urgency, you couldn't see the fire in his eyes, the chemistry was wrong etc etc etc...
ahhhh.... the intangibles
So, can these "intangibles" be proven on a Hollinger stat sheet? No, I'm sorry. But you can simply gander over at the trophy cases and see the glaring results of teams who have them and those who dont.
The ing fire in his eyes?!..has technology advanced so much that we're now expected to look into somebody's eyes and determine whether or not he's into it?..(I know that isn't exactly what you mean, but still)..
the lacking of a sense of urgency was with a minute left and the game was already out of hand..it had no impact on the game whatsoever..
The stat sheet did show that Lebron didn't have a great game though..9 turnovers and 8-21 from the field..it showed that Cleveland shot 38% from the field and had 22 turnovers, usually a recipe for disaster..
No, the stat sheet doesn't measure things such as not having a legit #2 best player, a poor coach and the fact that Shaq-Jamison is a historically bad defensive frontcourt, but everybody should know this already..
It surprises me. I would think someone with such experience would realize that team and locker room dynamics actually do count and are quantifiable.
I completely disagree. With all things equal between two players, I want the guy on my team who is the hardest worker. It's a mindset that directly translates to the floor. It's when those extra thousands of practice shots comes up big in one play. Come on, it's no secret that the vast majority of the greats in the game have tremendous work ethics.
Really? I have heard it quite a bit. Jordan's desire to win defined him did it not? Magic? Bird? Duncan? etc etc... All noted for their relentless desire to win. I can certainly see it in a player and even more so of a teammate.
Sounds like bunch of excuses to me. I don't care about the history, coaching, or perceived value of supporting cast. This discussion was about quantifying the intangibles. I say you can. You say otherwise. From my experience, I always knew the guys on my teams that had that desire and will to win at all costs. Of course everyone wants to win but you know what I am talking about. Those who refuse to lose. I firmly believe our at ude, work ethic, and desire to win was what seperated us from the other elite. That you cannot assign a number to these intangibles makes them no less important... and that you cannot see them makes them no less visible.
I don't get it.
Number one seed BOTH years. 127 wins in 2 seasons. KILLING teams. Back to back MVP's.
This is the defintion of a HORRIBLE team right. This is the defintion of a pathetic supporting cast right?? I mean...horrible pathetic support cast accomplish these type of things yearly am i right?
Coming into the playoffs...it was ING UNAMIOUS...THIS IS THE YEAR FOR BRON. He has ALL the pieces he needs. That's all I read on this ing forum for days after the Jamison trade. There was ZERO doubt CLE wasn't winning it all this year. Time for King to get his ring. All fans. All the media. EVERYBODY.
THe MINUTE...the absolute ing MINUTE the Cavs get bounced its because Bron's supporting cast is HORRIBLE. It's his frontcourt defense is the worst in NBA history?!? Really?
Answer me this Harlem.
How is it that when Bron QUITS...SAYS YOU TO JOE TAIT AND CLEVELAND...in game 5..as the PROHIBITIVE favorite to win the le...the one seed...in the 2nd ing round...as a back2back MVP winner...as the BEST player in the game...who has the city of Cleveland and the entire Cavs franchise in the palm of his ing hand...IT IS NOT NEARLY AS BAD to you...AS A MATER OF FACT IT ISN'T EVEN COMPARABLE..NOT EVEN HALF AS BAD as what Kobe did in Game 7 vs. the Suns?? (Let alone he scored 19 pts in the second quarter and they were down 15...let alone that EVERY game during the season he put up over 40? points and they LOST...nevermind the fact when he got his teammates going thats the games they won in the series...nevermind all that) Answer me that Harlem. Now. Come at me bro.
Now answer me this Harlem.
2006-2008. Smush Parker, Shammond Williams, Chucky Atkins, Brian Cook, Luke Walton, Kwame, Aaron McKie......
How come all I heard was Kobe DOES NOT MAKE HIS TEAMMATES BETTER.
HOW MANY ING TIMES DID WE HEAR THAT LINE GUYS?
It wasn't that the team sucked ing balls...Kobe doesn't know how to make his teammates better.
Yet Bron...it all falls at the feet of his TEAMMATES. NOT ONE OUNCE OF ING BLAME YOU ARE PLACING ON BRON. BUT HIS TEAMMATES.
Oh now you must be ing joking...He doesn't need one right now..he's done fine without one..a post game wouldn't have made any difference in the games vs. Boston TBH..
God damn you must be trolling with this statement....
Oh, Lord. Saying it out loud like that is frightening.
The timestamp has to be wrong on the OP.
Come at me Harlem...come at me bro.
Sorry but I have to disgree... because obviously when you are the only player to handle the ball and to pass you will not have a legit #2 option.
Jamison has a lot of flaws in his game, but he is a legit scoring option.
When he arrived, did Lebron production dropped?
No he start dominating the ball even more.
I believe Lebron kills his team-mates unless they are strictly role player (shooters, energizer...). See Boston, they had KG, Pierce, Allen and still they let some room for Rondo to develop. That would not have happened if Rondo was in Cleveland. Because he would barely have been allowed to bring the ball and he is anything but a shooter.
This is a reason why I like Duncan so much. He did not hesitate to share touches with two then No-Names Parker and Ginobili when in the early 2000 he could have been a 30 ppg player.
Could be a valid point.
I'm really interested in seeing how he plays with a Bosh or Amare..
Very fair analysis. I'll take it on a somewhat different tangent of this.
At this point, Lebron is superior to Kobe in strength and speed. His shooting and defense have greatly improved...pretty much every physical attribute.
The biggest difference is the mentality and experience.
Last year, when Lebron lost to the Magic, there were signs there that Lebron's style of play doesn't make his teammates better.
Before this last series, you could say Lebron > Kobe.
But after watching that meltdown, Kobe has taken the lead again.
Kobe knows how to involve his teammates and get the win. Kobe is racking up assists and just taking over when it's needed.
Give Kobe that 60 win team and he leads them to a championship.
Remember, Pau was 0-12 in the Playoffs before joining Kobe. Nobody ever talked about him as being this great Power Forward.
Before Kobe, I can find hundreds of quotes on this forum alone on Gasoft this and 0-12 that.
Bam, playing with Kobe, he's suddenly the best since Duncan and Dirk.
Lamar Odom always shrunk from clutch moments, now he's extremely reliable in 4th quarters. In fact, Lamar is now probably one of the best 2 way power forwards in the NBA.
James is the best player - in the regular season.
Just as again, he was the best player last year - in the regular season.
And then when the playoffs roll around, when each possession and decision making in clutch situations and big games come into play, then we all know who the best player is: Kobe
So I don't think anyone who says LeBron is the best player in the NBA during November-March is hating on Kobe or being unfair. During that period he is.
But once April hits it's Kobe time.
Then you look at past MVP's - the curse continues.
MVP's
10 Lebron NO RING
09 Lebron NO RING
08 Kobe NO RING
07 Nowitzki NO RING
06 Nash NO RING
05 Nash NO RING
04 KG NO RING
Harlem where you at? You can't see me brah?
Come at me bro
Are you actually telling me that you don't understand the differences when it comes to the NBA regular season and the NBA playoffs?..are you telling me that teams don't game plan more in the playoffs when they face the same opponent for an entire series?..
Who said Lebron had a horrible supporting cast?..I said he doesn't have a championship supporting cast, which is true..the only chance the Cavs had a le was for Lebron to play perfect basketball, which he's capable of..unfortunately, he didn't..This is the defintion of a HORRIBLE team right. This is the defintion of a pathetic supporting cast right?? I mean...horrible pathetic support cast accomplish these type of things yearly am i right?
The Cavs were picked because Lebron is levels better than any player in the NBA..again, if Lebron played Lebron-type basketball, they could have, but he didn't..Coming into the playoffs...it was ING UNAMIOUS...THIS IS THE YEAR FOR BRON. He has ALL the pieces he needs. That's all I read on this ing forum for days after the Jamison trade. There was ZERO doubt CLE wasn't winning it all this year. Time for King to get his ring. All fans. All the media. EVERYBODY.
You seem to think I'm excusing Lebron's performance in the last 2 games..I'm not..my point is that Lebron HAS had huge playoff performances and he has had success in the playoffs..he IS a playoff performer, even taking into consideration the end of this past series..your point is that he's not a playoff performer because of 2 bad games, which is ridiculous..
I hate Jamison and his game, as you can see in the trade deadline thread on the Spurs forum when Jamison was suggested, so I've never thought highly of him..
The Cavs supporting cast is not championship material, therefore Lebron has to play perfect basketball for them to win.. , even last year, he put up 37/8/8, one of the best series' in NBA history, and they still couldn't win with him..THe MINUTE...the absolute ing MINUTE the Cavs get bounced its because Bron's supporting cast is HORRIBLE. It's his frontcourt defense is the worst in NBA history?!? Really?
No player should ever have the responsibility of putting up historic numbers in every series, just so his team has a chance..
Are you actually telling me that the Cavs have a championship-level supporting cast?..are you denying that Shaq-Jamison is a horrible defensive frontcourt?..
How do you know Lebron quit?..you don't have any proof of that..How is it that when Bron QUITS...SAYS YOU TO JOE TAIT AND CLEVELAND...in game 5..as the PROHIBITIVE favorite to win the le...the one seed...in the 2nd ing round...as a back2back MVP winner...as the BEST player in the game...who has the city of Cleveland and the entire Cavs franchise in the palm of his ing hand...IT IS NOT NEARLY AS BAD to you...AS A MATER OF FACT IT ISN'T EVEN COMPARABLE..NOT EVEN HALF AS BAD as what Kobe did in Game 7 vs. the Suns?? (Let alone he scored 19 pts in the second quarter and they were down 15...let alone that EVERY game during the season he put up over 40? points and they LOST...nevermind the fact when he got his teammates going thats the games they won in the series...nevermind all that) Answer me that Harlem. Now. Come at me bro.
You're insulting the Boston Celtics by saying Lebron quit..
While Kobe vs. Phoenix was worse, I'm not even comparing them, like I said in my last post..I'm comparing Lebron vs. Boston to Kobe vs. Boston and Detroit in the Finals..it was a great player being shut down by a great defense..
Why does it have to be Lebron quitting?..the fact that you're saying Lebron should be putting up even better numbers than he did vs. an elite Boston defense tells me that you think he's some kind of superhuman player..how can he not be the best player in the NBA if you're expecting more out of him?..
How can you say Kobe is better than Lebron when you're expecting Lebron to play significantly better than Kobe did in the Finals vs. Boston?..isn't that unfair?..
I don't know..as I said in the other thread, I don't believe in the "make your teammates better" argument..2006-2008. Smush Parker, Shammond Williams, Chucky Atkins, Brian Cook, Luke Walton, Kwame, Aaron McKie......
How come all I heard was Kobe DOES NOT MAKE HIS TEAMMATES BETTER.
HOW MANY ING TIMES DID WE HEAR THAT LINE GUYS?
It wasn't that the team sucked ing balls...Kobe doesn't know how to make his teammates better.
Yet Bron...it all falls at the feet of his TEAMMATES. NOT ONE OUNCE OF ING BLAME YOU ARE PLACING ON BRON. BUT HIS TEAMMATES.
BTW, again, I didn't absolve Lebron of blame for the last 2 games..he clearly didn't play as well as he could/should have, he was shut down by an elite defense, which happens..
He still had a good playoffs though, and he's still a playoff performer, which is my point..people are ignoring the fact that he's had plenty of great playoff performances in the past, and now they're saying he can't win because of 2 bad games..
The supporting cast is relevant because no player should have to shoulder the load like Lebron does..it would help if he had a legit #2 to take pressure and load off of him..
The fact that the Cavs had championship aspirations with Antawn Jamison as the #2 talent on the team speaks volumes on how great Lebron James is as a player..
Are you going to tell me that Lebron and the Cavs wouldn't have had it a lot easier with a legit #2 and a better built team?..
It was obvious after the series vs. Chicago that they weren't going to win a le without Lebron going crazy in every game..
So let me ask you now..
What happened with Kobe vs. Boston in the Finals 2 years ago?..How did that happen?..
What happened with Kobe vs. Detroit in 2004?..How did that happen?..
Serious question, what happened? what's the difference?..does this mean Kobe isn't a playoff performer?..Isn't that what you're doing by focusing on a few games of a player's career and ignoring the rest?..
So you're telling me that Lebron wins this series if he has a better post game?..really?..
How did Kobe's post-up game help in the 2008 Finals?..
So now my question for you..
Does Lebron handle the ball and make plays so much because of the system and because he wants to?..or does he do it so much because he's the only reliable player on the team?..does he do it because the coach is incompetent?..how can you really know?..
Lebron's usage % in the playoffs was 30%, Kobe's was 33%..Kobe actually had the ball significantly more than Lebron did for his team..this is despite having Gasol and Bynum in the post..
How are the Lakers having so much success with Kobe handling and controlling the ball significantly more than Lebron?..
Jamison's usage % only went down by 1% when he went from Washington to Cleveland..I'm actually surprised, I thought it would be more..that's actually too high IMO, Jamison shouldn't be seeing the ball that much..Jamison has a lot of flaws in his game, but he is a legit scoring option.
When he arrived, did Lebron production dropped?
No he start dominating the ball even more.
For example, Jamison's usage % with the Cavs was higher than Pau Gasol's was this season, which is pretty ridiculous, considering that Pau is a top 5-7 player in the NBA IMO..
As my man mogro has said in other threads, Jamison is best suited to be a 6th man, similar to the role Jamal Crawford has in Atlanta..your 2nd best player should never be a liability at certain times..Jamison can easily be exposed, which makes having him on the floor risky at times..this should NEVER happen with your 2nd best player, which is why he's better suited as a 6th man..
He's not efficient enough, he can't create plays for others, and he's one of the worst defensive players in NBA history..one of the major reasons Boston won the series was due to KG's manhandling of Jamison..
How do you know this?..I believe Lebron kills his team-mates unless they are strictly role player (shooters, energizer...). See Boston, they had KG, Pierce, Allen and still they let some room for Rondo to develop. That would not have happened if Rondo was in Cleveland. Because he would barely have been allowed to bring the ball and he is anything but a shooter.
There's nothing that supports this..Mo Williams and Jamison had a higher usage % than a lot of key players in the NBA this year..if not higher, than at least similar to other #2 and #3 options on teams with ball-dominant superstar players..
Lebron has never had a legit #2 best player, so nobody knows what would happen..James is a very good off-ball player, so I don't believe this at all..
What were these "signs"?..
Kobe's usage % has been significantly higher than Lebron's during the playoffs..he's handling and controlling the ball more..Lebron has had more assists by a good margin..Kobe knows how to involve his teammates and get the win. Kobe is racking up assists and just taking over when it's needed.
I don't get it..
Are you sure you don't mean that both are getting their teammates involved, but Kobe's teammates are levels better?..
Based on what?..Give Kobe that 60 win team and he leads them to a championship.
Are you sure that had nothing to do with having Mike Miller and James Posey as his #2 guys on those teams?(IIRC)..Remember, Pau was 0-12 in the Playoffs before joining Kobe. Nobody ever talked about him as being this great Power Forward.
Are you sure it has nothing to do with playing in a better system with teammates that are a million times better than his teammates in Memphis?..Are you sure it isn't because he entered his prime as a player?..Bam, playing with Kobe, he's suddenly the best since Duncan and Dirk.
Lamar Odom was on the team with Kobe that blew a 3-1 series lead..he was on the same Lakers in 2007 when Kobe asked for a trade and threw everybody under the bus..Lamar Odom always shrunk from clutch moments, now he's extremely reliable in 4th quarters. In fact, Lamar is now probably one of the best 2 way power forwards in the NBA.
I know you're trolling, but that doesn't even make any sense..come harder with that last point..
Last edited by HarlemHeat37; 05-15-2010 at 08:12 PM.
holy . how long did that take you
Well no shirlock.
LeBron IGN QUIT.
Harlem owned you.
Try a counter argument to his points. You're a good poster and seem to be somewhat objective, so I'm interested in your reply, especially to this point:
So let me ask you now..
What happened with Kobe vs. Boston in the Finals 2 years ago?..How did that happen?..
What happened with Kobe vs. Detroit in 2004?..How did that happen?..
Serious question, what happened? what's the difference?..does this mean Kobe isn't a playoff performer?..Isn't that what you're doing by focusing on a few games of a player's career and ignoring the rest?..
Come at me brah, come at me..
Now Now Harlem ..
What have we said about feeding the Laker trolls?
We are better than that...
Although you are owning him..typical Spurs fans having more basketball knowledge than the bandwagon Laker masses.
Doesn't surprise me.
Nothing happened with Kobe against Boston. The better team won. Boston won 67 games during the regular season. Kobe had a very solid series. The Lakers lost because no Bynum and LO could not hit a jump shot. I think Kobe could have played better. He really struggled with Pierce. But it is what it is. He came back a BETTER player next year and would not be stopped by ANYONE. ANYONE. NO MATTER WHAT.
Thats the ing difference right there Harlem and haters. Did LeBron come back a better player this year after falling short against the Magic? Did he improve any aspects of his game? Did he incororate a post game to take FULL ADVANTAGE of his size? FU
I don't understand how you are comparing Kobe taking the Lakers team and losing in the FINALS to a 67 win team as opposed to Bron being the HEAVY favorite losing in the 2nd round. There is ZERO comparison.
For me...I lost all trust in Kobe after the 2004 series. He played selfish. No denying it. He wanted the finals MVP along with a couple other reasons (Malone's knee, Shaq not in great shape). He sucked against one of the best defensive teams ever. Do I think we win a le with him playing with balance, feeding Shaq, and dominating games without scoring? Hard to say. With Malone's knee and Shaq was not in great shape during those finals..I still think Detroit wins.
Over the past few years though Kobe has proven to everybody that he is all about winning.
I honestly believe Kobe used to think him shooting everytime down the court is the teams best chance of winning. I think he knew how dominant Shaq was and rode that..but when Shaq starting to show up and stay out of shape..waiting all summer then having surgery during the year...that just pissed Kobe off. And I DO NOT blame Kobe for this. I honestly believe if Shaq worked his ass off, was compe ive and was always in shape...the duo would have won 2 or 3 more rings together.
I have been one of Kobe's harshest critics on here in the past. Look at some of my post during the Thunder series. I honestly thought with his injuries he was DONE for the rest of the year. But god damn Harlem...the guy keeps proving EVERYBODY wrong. How can you not respect this guys drive to be the best? We both know the Colorado bull means nothing.
I am not saying Bron can't win in the playoffs. The guy is a solid player with FREAKISH PHYSICAL ATTRIBUTES. At some point...chances are the guy will win a championship. But the guy has been in the league for 7 ing years. YOU DO NOT WIN 120+ games in 2 years and have a BAD supporting cast. NO SINGLE PLAYER CAN DO IT. And by A LOT OF ACCOUNTS...Lebron is responsible for the players he has around him. He has the whole ing city in his hand and he ing QUIT on them.
And I am fully aware the playoffs are a different animal than the regular season.
He cares more about his image, his legacy, "HIS TEAM", his business ventures, his money, HIMSELF, all more than about winning a ing ring.
EVERYTHING HE HAS DONE IN HIS CAREER UP TO THIS POINT PROVES THIS.
The "summer of 2010" seemed to have RUIN the Cavs chances this year. This guy cares more about the attention he is going to get this summer than a ing ring he could have won.
He ing seemed relieved for this season to be over. Can you possibly disagree with this?
His team this...His team that in his pree confernece..."we are going to execute a gameplan"
AND HE HASN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT ALL YEAR?!?!?
REALLY??!?!?!
Do you disagree?
You constantly about Kobe. about the person he is (like you even ing know him). about how he plays. about everything.
And you praise LeBron. NON-STOP. You have already ing CROWNED THIS KID. Kobe isn't even in his league.
Until LeBron actually lives and dies by winning rings...he should NEVER be mentioned in the same breath as Kobe again.
I mean...did he even seem ign bothered in his press conference? Did he? I AM ASKING YOU THIS. ANSWER.
And look at Kobe after every playoff series he has lost.
Thats the ing difference right now.
One's life is ing CONSUMED with rings and the other is CONSUMED with money.
Like another poster stated on here
Take Bron's game and work ethic and put it in Kobe's body and you have your regular NBA all-star
Take Kobe's game and work ethic and put it in Bron's body and you have the best player that HAS ever or WILL ever play ball
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