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I feel like you not understanding is a huge loss to mankind
I'm not making a case, just trying to point out facts. Right now I feel like Solomon in Ecclesiastes, so your bathroom stall analogy may be spot on.
I feel like you not understanding is a huge loss to mankind
lol comparing slavery to illegal immigrants
immigrants come willingly..... i would type more but i'm lazy
just think for yourselves
ducks wants to shoot all Illegal Aliens . . .
What do you want to do?
i guess the deference to this redundancy is an admission that any expectation to get a link, or further explanation of your otherwise completely meaningless and mathematically inconsistent statistics, will go unfulfilled.I feel like you not understanding is a huge loss to mankind
at least i didn't get some narcissistic post of old testament self-reference instead.
So my question to dumper, gervin, etc.
What do YOU want to do about illegal immigrants in the United States? Doing nothing isn't a qualifying answer.
33.5% of those sentenced for manufacture, sale or transport of drugs.
the best i could do was link this stat to other forums and then to a patriot site, so the origin of these numbers could not be found. the reason it would have been significant to get the actual source of these numbers is because there are many out there circulated that are not very precise and use hyperbolic language. for instance, the federal bureau of prisons does not keep figures on illegal immigrants. what solid numbers are out there point to a much smaller figure. a department of justice report from 2003 indicated that only 1.6 percent of the state and federal prison populations were under immigration and customs enforcement jurisdiction, and thus known to be illegal immigrants. half of these prisoners were detained only because they were here illegally, not for other crimes.
the bureau of prisons does follow prisoners by offense when information is available. and by that metric, 10.7 percent of prisoners in federal jails were incarcerated for immigration offenses in 2009. in 2006, the figure was 10.2 percent. ( http://www.bop.gov/news/quick.jsp#2 )
also, upon closer examination you will see that most of these crimes occur within the context of the act of crossing over to begin with. illegals are going to have forged do ents, they are going to present false IDs and they are also going to be travling frequently with coyotes who are regarded as smugglers. the violence commited is almost always against illegals by the coyotes themselves who will often kidnap the illegals, steal from them or even committ violent acts against them.
this explains why the chief of police did not want to equate the decrease in violent crime to illegal immigration specifically. because they understand that to imply that violent crime is down would be misleading. what will decrease, if anything at all, will be the frequency of forgery offenses as well as violenct acts against illegals by coyotes. but this does not impact the non-illegal population with any significance at all.
I say this every time: Go after the employers.
take away the incentive that keeps them coming here.
there's a difference between what you want to be true and what is true.
here's your link
http://www.mcaodo ents.com/press/20081002_a.pdf
Got an Illegal immigration problem? Who's to blame?
Ok, and when they're caught, then what? What do you do to the illegals that they've hired?
The incentive that Mexico is corrupt and in shambles? Nuke Mexico?
Take away that the U.S. >>>>>>> Mexico?
Ok, and when they're caught, then what? What do you do to the illegals that they've hired?
The incentive that Mexico is corrupt and in shambles? Nuke Mexico?
Take away that the U.S. >>>>>>> Mexico?
the incentive is jobs you moron... were you born yesterday?
and so put into context what one sees is that we have crimes committed dispoportionately because the act of crossing illegally is already a crime itself. most of the property crimes and violent crimes are commited by the smugglers themselves ('coyotes'). the mexican cartels have gotten involved in smuggling the illegals over and they often fill illegals backpacks with marijuana, kidnap the illegals and hold them hostage, rob them, and commit violent acts against them.
that is the predominant victims of the crimes committed by illegals are the illegals themselves.
undoubtedly this has an economic impact upon the states but in terms of how illegals impact crime in non-illegal communites? it has very if any impact and that is a point that is lost in arbitrarily cited statistics.
to assume that is the illegal is the culprit, as opposed to understanding that those involved in getting illegals over here have changed dramatically, is to undermine the issue. but as long as the impetus that drives the economic motivation to spur migration from mexico to the US exists then so will illegal crossings.
assertions that illegals are exponentially more inclined to commit crime based on statistics not placed into context does not serve to address the fundamental issue, which is: why is that illegals are so compelled to cross over despite the great risk to themselves ? and, what can be done to alter these factors? this is really where immigration reform needs to begin.
so just eliminate their jobs all together? what the ?
and, as you've avoided twice now.. What do you do once you "eliminate" these jobs they have? What do you do with them after this?
Link?
Link?the mexican cartels have gotten involved in smuggling the illegals over and they often fill illegals backpacks with marijuana, kidnap the illegals and hold them hostage, rob them, and commit violent acts against them.
Link?that is the predominant victims of the crimes committed by illegals are the illegals themselves.
No entiendo?undoubtedly this has an economic impact upon the states but in terms of how illegals impact crime in non-illegal communites? it has very if any impact and that is a point that is lost in arbitrarily cited statistics.
50% of the illegal immigration is coming through Arizona. Easy to tell them what to do. Federal Government has failed here.to assume that is the illegal is the culprit, as opposed to understanding that those involved in getting illegals over here have changed dramatically, is to undermine the issue. but as long as the impetus that drives the economic motivation to spur migration from mexico to the US exists then so will illegal crossings.
it's not an innate trait.assertions that illegals are exponentially more inclined to commit crime
Are we still talking about the Arizona Law? You're way off in lala land.based on statistics not placed into context does not serve to address the fundamental issue, which is: why is that illegals are so compelled to cross over despite the great risk to themselves ? and, what can be done to alter these factors? this is really where immigration reform needs to begin.
I'm still curious how the %.9 metric was arrived at when illegals don't participate in polls.
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Prosecute them.Deport them.What do you do to the illegals that they've hired?
I think our broad buffet of social services probably ranks up there with jobs, GGA.
Duh (to some.. not others). Mexico is a piss poor, battle ridden third world country with way too many people and in the midst of political chaos. Just living in America and benefitting wherever you can from the system is a much, much higher standard of life. There'll never be an end to the immigration problem without drastic measures simply because Mexico sucks so much.
If you stop hiring them they will stop coming. This notion that this problem can be solved overnight is stupid (see sisk) Once they get here and find a job the social services kick in (I am assuming). I am not naive to think that there aren't those who are here for social programs but the majority are here for jobs. I would create annual work visas that have to be renewed. Once you have had your visas renewed (theoretically) 5 times then you should at least have a shot at a pathway to citzenship. If you do not have a violent criminal history you should be able to work your way towards citzienship should you want it. This would include learning english and proving that you are accountable and dependable.
If you are caught more than once enering the country illegally you will forever lose the ability to work or live in the United States.
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