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guys
we want to hug her, kiss her, and her like crazy
We don't want to talk politics with her.
let's get our priorities back
God damn people are stupid.
guys
we want to hug her, kiss her, and her like crazy
We don't want to talk politics with her.
let's get our priorities back
I thought tripping was a big deal in these contest.
I didn't generalize anything. She identifies as Muslim.
and that is all we can say about her. anything else is speculation.
There's a whole religion's worth of laws and teachings that is definitely outside the realm of speculation.
How closely she follows those is obviously a different story.
But IMO, she doesn't follow them much, if at all. Which is why I find your Catholicism reference a bit "apple-to-orangey."
Mainly because most, if not all all of the leading Muslim "clergy" (dunno proper term) preach against women having any place in society, and adamantly defend women covering their bodies entirely in public and even many home situations.
And clearly she isn't covering her body in public. So IMO, she's not a Muslim by most Muslim's ideals. But she's free to call herself that here in America and wherever else they won't punish her for holding a different, perhaps non-canonical standard.
well then she is not a muslim any more than any catholic is a catholic that is pro-contraception or not against sexuality, or even advocates liberation theology. so we can rule out a good chunk of africa and latin america as well as certain catholic parishes in large american cities.
Again, comparing small apples to big oranges, IMO.
We have to realize we're talking religion, and religion is inseparable from the people who practice it. So oftentimes, majority rules. And I don't think the majority of Muslims in the world, nor their religious leaders and theologists would approve of her going out in public without being covered from head to toe. JMO.
But really, you're comparing a sect of Christianity (catholicism) with an entire religion, Islam. Which is inherently wrong - because she is definitely not an orthodox Muslim. Or she's definitely in the minority, whichever she associates.
oh, so only christianity has sects? there are sects of the islamic faith as well or you just going to dismiss that fact?
I... kinda implied that whenever I said she probably can't be an orthodox muslim. As long as we're agreeing she's actually Muslim, which is questionable.
Why would I differentiate her as non-orthodox Muslim if orthodox Islam is the only sect? To call any sect Orthodox is to imply that other more radical (...at least in some cases...) perspectives exist.
We have a hot woman who danced in a strip-off and just won Miss America and all you 's can talk about is Islam? *cough* s*cough*
There's a wanking thread over in the club.
I think I'll make this my wanking thread.
Oh yeah baby. You look good in that burka...er...burkini.
Let's not leave out the Jews.
didnt she trip over her dress when she was named?
its a sign!
So she wears a burka on the beach and a swimsuit on national TV..I think I'll make this my wanking thread.
Oh yeah baby. You look good in that burka...er...burkini.
Yeah. That's her.
Is it not? I honestly can't tell.
I know. They all look alike, right?
she's a beautiful girl nonetheless
I honestly can't remember what Miss USA's face looks like. Much less 2/3 of it without the hair or neck.
What are you arguing, exactly, zoS? In one paragraph you're saying you agree with rjv that she is a Muslim, then turn around and question whether she actually is one. Bit weird.
In the next P you defend your calling her unorthodox, but imply that activity beyond orthodoxy is radical. Begs the question: what do you mean by radical? If you mean liberal/reform Islam, there seem to be less hyperbolic/pejorative words.
Not one thing specifically, but this topic does interest me for a couple reasons. One is the fact a popular beauty pageant has been politicized. Why? I think it's because that's what gets ratings and hits, not because this girl or any other has a particularly insightful perspective. And everyone should realize that.
Well, I said "as long as we are agreeing" ... I agree she's muslim; who I am to say she isn't? Even if she barely follows it and only identifies with it from tradition, it's still her religion and no one can take that away from her.In one paragraph you're saying you agree with rjv that she is a Muslim, then turn around and question whether she actually is one. Bit weird.
However, she chose the spotlight and thus, also chose criticism. And I'm also responding to rjv's generalization with a correction, that you can't criticize Germans for being Nazis because the vast majority doesn't hold those ideals.
Also, she's putting herself in the spotlight by calling herself Muslim then exhibiting opposing behavior/ideals to commonly held Islamic traditions.
Hence, "in some cases". Orthodox Islam is about as radical as it gets, but Eastern Orthodox Christianity is less radical than Catholicism, at least traditionally.In the next P you defend your calling her unorthodox, but imply that activity beyond orthodoxy is radical.
she looks banging on that stripper pole
you mofos are s
my original post was just pointing out that we should not be subjecting her to any judgements because she is making her heritage known any more than we can make a judgement about a german contestant who celebrated her heritage.
but she never defined her faith so we really can not say whether she was that opposed to the islamic faith but because we do not know to what tenants she subscribes to.Also, she's putting herself in the spotlight by calling herself Muslim then exhibiting opposing behavior/ideals to commonly held Islamic traditions.
my whole point was that it was premature to label her a hypocrite or heretic. if anything, it would have been more fair to assume her to be superficial just by the very nature of her being a beauty pagent contestant than by virtue of her heritage and proclaimed faith.
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