We're just on opposing fronts, rjv. I think she's subject to criticism as a heretic and hypocrite since she has decided to associate with very ancient and widespread religious beliefs while seemingly contradicting them. By the doctrine exhibited by most Muslims, I think she is contradicting traditional Islamic faith. It's a fair debate.
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As for the original analogy, no self-respecting German ever associates with Nazi ideology. She willingly associates herself with Islam. Two different situations completely, and questioning her about some of the happenings near her home country and how she felt about them would have been nothing like asking a German if he's anti-semitic.
I have to echo rjv's point here: you'd have to know what/how she believes in order to say she is behaving hypocritically or heretically. Measuring her according to the yardstick of your perception of mainstream Islam seems as unfounded as judging an Episcopalian by the tenets of 7th Day Adventism.
Islam and Christianity are two very different religions. Christianity is fairly equally split between Protestant and Catholic mostly, with many different sects intra-religiously that identify with both.
Islam, not so much. The vast majority are orthodox and support extremely conservative views she is in direct opposition to. Just in theory and principal, it's much easier branding her a hypocritical Muslim than it would ever be with Christianity, simply because there's a much more defined tradition for most Muslims.
Still, I haven't directly called her a hypocrite; only that she can be criticized. And this is what popular beauty contests are about now apparently, firing people up.
she is muslim american and a very young one at that. this is not some older generation female from the old country here. her own background is of dual heritage at that and she was educated in a catholic school. she seems pretty assimilated to me.
I agree, but all this makes her seem less real and even more prone to criticism.
Why are you associating yourself with Islam if you barely follow its teachings? And Catholic school for a Muslim? That must have been weird, unless she barely identifies with Islam or you mean her post-high school education.
i don't it thinks it makes her any more prone to criticism than any of the myriad of people in our society and pageant contestants who claim to be of a certain faith or heritage (and then clearly do not live up to the standards of that faith). christians can often be the biggest offenders in that regard. like kierkegaard said: "christendom has done away with christianity, without being quite aware of it".
Again, you're judging her (or saying she can be criticized) based on what you perceive as being Islam, not any knowledge of her faith. Contrary to your assertion, Islam has a robust reform/progressive movement.
I absolutely have knowledge she's Muslim, and I'm not critiquing her on a perception but on Islamic fundamental grounds. I've also asserted she most likely is non-orthodox due to the obvious, so that's really not contrary to anything I've said. Actually, I have yet to even criticize anything about her specifically, but defend the fact she can be criticized on some level.
She's a pole dancing model.
Some of us know what Lebanese are:
No kidding.
She just may not keep the crown. That ought to make you racists happy.
who exactly is a racist?
Those who are making her race and/or religion an issue.
Okay, for the record; I'd hit it and I think she deserves the le. She's a hottie who answered all the questions and wears a bikini rather nicely. I wish her well in the Miss Universe or Miss World pageant, whichever is up next.
I figured she would lose the crown because of her pole dancing.....not because of z0sa's problems with her calling herself a Muslim American.
I think so too. Once the news hit, I'll be surprised if she keeps the crown.
Like I said, it should make the racists happy.
Unless the racist Muslim Americans out there become unhappy.
In case you didn't notice, I spend most of this thread half-arguing semantics and never criticized her once personally.
What problems do I have with her calling herself Muslim American? Need some quotes from me where I directly name, list and/or address these so called "problems" or you're typing out of your red, hurting ass.
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This is a travesty. Miss USA should be a blonde haired, blue eyed female.
FAUX News agrees!
You have made it clear for several pages that you think her calling herself a Muslim is a problem for her in that it leaves herself open to some type of criticism.
I don't do red ass. Need some quotes from me where I have a red hurting ass or you are just providing more proof of just how butthurt you really are.
So you don't have any quotes. You're pretty butthurt about my opinion, as usual.
so you don't have any quotes about me being butthurt.You're pretty butthurt about my opinion, as usual.
I'm not seeing anything of use there. You read my question correctly, right?
What problems do I have with her calling herself Muslim American?
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