Dirk and Pau are better at very different things...it's hard to compare. It is, however, obvious that Gasol can't lead a team, something Nowitzki has always done.
Yes, Pau has really benefited from playing in this great system with other great players..does that change anything though?..should other players be discredited for playing in systems that are better suited for them?..
Pau in Memphis was playing with a relatively poor supporting cast and wasn't in his prime yet..clear difference IMO..
I'm not sure why this is funny. By every statistical measure, Duncan outplayed Gasol this season. People have just decided that because the Spurs wore Duncan down in the first half of the season and because his birth certificate says that by NBA standards he's old, that that automatically means Gasol is better. I don't buy it. Next season, if he get's proper rest/help, you'll see what I mean.
I like what Stoudemire said, essentially alluding to the fact that this softy has become arrogant since being the clear cut 2nd option and being surrounded by two of the best bigs in the league. Funny, he didn't puff his chest out when the Grizzlies were being swept out of the playoffs on 3 occasions.
Gasol's biggest problem is he's not strong enough to dominate on a nightly basis. He's greatly skilled, but he can be outphysical'd at times. He's purely a skill player without alot of strength or explosion.
Dirk has lead his team to nothing but failure and disappointment.
I'll bump this thread when the finals start. Amare =/= Garnett.
Pau Gasol is in a perfect scenario in LA but lets not get carried away.
We saw what happens when he was the 1st option and it wasn't pretty.
I guess I can see that angle.
what the .......
This isn't Dirk's career vs. Pau's career..this is about the better player at the moment..it's not a big gap or anything, it's arguable, but I don't see how it isn't Gasol at the moment..
Again, are people really going to discredit Gasol for being unable to win with Mike Miller/James Posey/Bonzi Wells as his #2 best player at different times during those runs?..
I love Pau but I won't be too quick on judgements. After all, he's up against a prime-time star scrub in Amare.
Pau just fits in better with his team and is a better passer, he just seems way more efficient than Dirk.
HH, is Josh Howard & Terry really that much better than Pau's team in Memphis? Enough talent gap to have one go to a finals and one not win a single playoff game?
You are right, Pau has gotten better, but part of that is because he was allowed to develop all his strengths in this system.
If you put any really good player in a perfect system, they will excel.
He lead his team out of the first round.
Better player at the moment is Dirk. If you put Dirk on the Lakers, they are no worse. If you put Pau on the Mavs, they are worse.
Kidd runs the plays but who gets majority of the shots in Dallas?
Agreed. Pau on the Lakers might be the best power forward but I didn't hear anybody talking like this about him when he had to be the man.
Harlem, don't make excuses. Those Grizzlies teams may have lacked star power, but they were deep, well coached and should have been good enough to at least win one playoff game. The problem is their best player couldn't carry a team. Don't give me this "he wasn't in his prime nonsense". Duncan and Garnett carrying teams on their backs at the same age. Even internationally, until recently Spain would usually come up short in big games. Why? Because Gasol couldn't get it done when it mattered most.
But all that being said, there is no argument for the one dimensional Nowitzki over Gasol. The one thing I'll give Nowitzki is he's been a better lead player than Gasol was, but it's not like he's been Duncan or O'Neal in that respect, either.
I still believe that Duncan in his prime>> Gasol in his prime
Nice and original nickname, yo. How many assists did Kome have tonight?
And a better post player, finisher, rebounder and defender. Way better 2nd fiddle to Kobe than Dirk could ever be.
Yes, Pau did lay a goose-egg in Memphis. But at least he was choking on his own while his 1/2 seeded team was losing to inferior 7 and 8 seeds every year.
I think everyone in the world believes that.
I don't feel like Dirk has ever had a legit #2 on his team, but Josh Howard and Terry are both easily better than Mike Miller or James Posey..
Again, I'm not arguing careers here..Dirk has obviously had a much better career..
At this moment, the way Gasol has played as Laker and considering how well he fits in their system, he's a better player than Nowitzki IMO..I don't think people realize how dominant Gasol has been in this playoff run..he leads the Lakers in all advanced stat categories, has been the most efficient player on the team and has been one of their 2 best defenders in the playoffs..
I'm going to discredit him for not winning a game. He went 0-12. And those guys weren't too big of scrubs either. There's no way in Dirk would've gone 0-12. He would've won a couple of games by himself atleast
Don't mind 21 guys... he's just upset Bynum found a way to have a negative +/- in a blowout win.
Why should anything he says be taken seriously given everything he's said about Glassy?
poor 21 ... so scared
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