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I was playing NBA2K10 and they said LeBron was a first ballot Hall of Famer even if his career ended today(God forbid) So my question is, if these following guys careers ended today, who would and who wouldn't be Hall of Famers???
1. LeBron
2. D. Howard
3. Wade
4. Carmelo
5. Durant
6. CP3
7. D-Will
8. Yao
9. Amare
10. Vince Carter
All of them
None. If LeBron gets in then so should Grant Hill.
2 times MVP, 4 All-NBA 1st teams, 2 All-NBA 2nd team, 2 All-Defense 1st teams, 6 All-Stars, +15000 points, 4000 rebounds and 4000 assists, some incredible playoff success, scoring le. Yeah, not only he's already in, he's a first ballot.
Who else? Wade would be another 100% first ballot entry.
I think that's all. Carter would have an outside chance, but he'd fall short. He needs a championship and a couple of seasons at high-level. None of the others would sniff it.
Last edited by mogrovejo; 05-20-2010 at 09:10 AM.
1. LeBron (has to win something before...)
2. D. Howard
3. Wade (the le helps, he probably will get in)
4. Carmelo
5. Durant
6. CP3
7. D-Will
8. Yao (No, but he probably will)
9. Amare (No)
10. Vince Carter (He will, but I don't have to like it).
To be honest, how many of these players you will remember in 40 years?
Probably only Lebron, and only if he goes MJ on the league.
As of right now, only LeBron.
Lebron and Wade would obviously be first ballot HOF'ers. The rest need haven't earned done enough.
BTW i don't think Carmelo, Yao, Carter and Amare will ever make it to the hall of fame...
I think Wade would be automatic!!!
Yao is easily a Hall of Famer.
Of course: All-American, jersey retired at Marquette, triple double in the NCAA tournament, Olympic gold, 1 championship as the best player in his team, Finals MVP, 5 All-NBA teams, 6 All-Star, 3 All-Defense teams, scoring champion, all-time scoring/assist leader for the Miami Heat, averaging 26/6/5 for his career, 12000 points scored, a season with a +30 PER. Could retire tomorrow and he'd still be in.
NBA & ABA Active Leaders and Records for Hall of Fame Probability
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ob_active.html
1. Shaquille O'Neal 1.0000
2. Kobe Bryant 0.9999
3. Tim Duncan 0.9998
4. Allen Iverson 0.9977
5. Kevin Garnett 0.9971
6. LeBron James 0.9801
7. Dwyane Wade 0.9758
8. Paul Pierce 0.9535
9. Dirk Nowitzki 0.9105
10. Jason Kidd 0.9073
11. Ray Allen 0.9072
12. Vince Carter 0.8662
13. Tracy McGrady 0.7476
14. Tony Parker 0.5183
15. Grant Hill 0.4794
16. Gilbert Arenas 0.4569
17. Chris Bosh 0.4305
18. Amare Stoudemire 0.4246
19. Carmelo Anthony 0.4078
20. Steve Nash 0.3654
21. Dwight Howard 0.2877
22. Pau Gasol 0.2361
23. Chauncey Billups 0.2162
24. Shawn Marion 0.2111
25. Elton Brand 0.1586
26. Antawn Jamison 0.0861
27. Carlos Boozer 0.0842
Gilbert Arenas
Good takes. I think if they all have pretty long careers, most of them would make it besides Vince.
I stand corrected about Vince.
Because he's a Chinaman.
They're overrating Vince chances. Carter needs achievements beyond stats or a bigger body of work.
So far:
- In 12 years, only two All-NBA selections. One second team and one third team
- Never in the top ten in MVP voting
- No real team success until this season. Never got out of the second round before.
- Only made the playoffs in half of his seasons.
I think it's extremely likely he'll eventually make it because he'll still put up good numbers in the next couple of seasons + he's playing for a good team. He doesn't even need to win a tle to get in. So yeah, unless something weird happens, he'll be a HoFer.
But if he retires today, I think there's a solid chance they'd left him out.
So is Yi.
where is Manu?
#29 according to that bs list with 7,4 %... Elton Brand and Shawn Marion have a better chance to make it
numbers aren't everything
Seriously Vince Carter is not a hall of famer
Yi's level of "contributions to the game" is dwarfed by Yao's.
Put simply, if Drazen Petrovic is a Hall-of-Famer, so is Yao Ming.
#29 according to that bs list with 7,4 %... Elton Brand and Shawn Marion have a better chance to make it
I don't how these % work but I guess they consider TP having more chances because he is younger but IMO Manu will be HOF and for me he has more chances than TP in particular with his international successes.
I think he's automatic after he logs a few more NBA seasons. Right now, he's played 7 seasons in the NBA. Make it 10, and he's obviously a no-brainer.
I would have said the same thing about LeBron except for his 2 league MVPs.
Apparently they take into account these 7 factors
I don't how these % work but I guess they consider TP having more chances because he is younger but IMO Manu will be HOF and for me he has more chances than TP in particular with his international successes.
- height (in inches)
- last season indicator (1 if 1959-60 or before, 0 otherwise)
- NBA points per game
- NBA rebounds per game
- NBA assists per game
- NBA All-Star game selections
- NBA championships won
Hey I like numbers, i work with them everyday but... mathematical models can be useful and all but certainly not for HOF selection.
4x all 1st team and 2 MVPs = lock for LeBron. already.
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