How would a prime Olajuwon fare against a prime Duncan?

[JoeTait75]

Yeah Duncan sucked in his prime. He had no speed or low post moves. People get all wet when someone mentions the Dream Shake. Duncan was a beast in his prime.

Spurs fans are just like Lake Show fans in an MJ vs. Kobe thread when this topic comes up.

Tim isn't as good as Dream. That's okay. He's still good. It's not like anyone is saying Vitaly Potapenko > Duncan.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Sorry I was doing playoff numbers. I figured that's what you were talking about when you did the comparison.

In the 94 playoffs dream averaged 4 blocks per game. By no means was Duncan anything short of a great defender in 03, but 94 dream was undeniably a better defender.

[Shastafarian]

Tim isn't as good as Dream. That's okay. He's still good. It's not like anyone is saying Vitaly Potapenko > Duncan.

So then I can say Kobe in his prime is without a doubt better than LeBron. All these guys are great and to say one is surely better than the other is so ridiculous.


Good luck in Cleveland by the way. I hear Jamison is really gonna try hard to be the #1 option next year

[DAF86]

In the 94 playoffs dream averaged 4 blocks per game. By no means was Duncan anything short of a great defender in 03, but 94 dream was undeniably a better defender.

Aren't you 18? How can you remember things from 94?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

So then I can say Kobe in his prime is without a doubt better than LeBron.

I don't think Joetait is gonna argue with you there.

[JoeTait75]

So then I can say Kobe in his prime is without a doubt better than LeBron.

Knock yourself out. DoK is right, I'm not exactly manning the barricades for LeBron these days.

Good luck in Cleveland by the way. I hear Jamison is really gonna try hard to be the #1 option next year

It's all good, we're a big-league town here, we have other teams.

[Shastafarian]

Aren't you 18? How can you remember things from 94?

He's right about the stats. It was my mistake. I accidentally tallied the numbers from the 95 playoffs. Hakeem averaged 4 blocks and 11 rpg but only shot 52% from the field. Less than 2003 Duncan's 53%. BUT HE WAS CLEARLY BETTER!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Idk why I'm getting attacked by Spurfan when I was one of the few people in this thread who said Duncan > Hakeem career wise.

[Shastafarian]

It's all good, we're a big-league town here, we have other teams.

I'm not sure I'd call them teams.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

He's right about the stats. It was my mistake. I accidentally tallied the numbers from the 95 playoffs. Hakeem averaged 4 blocks and 11 rpg but only shot 52% from the field. Less than 2003 Duncan's 53%. BUT HE WAS CLEARLY BETTER!

94 Dream won MVP, DPOY and finals MVP. That's I think he was better. All three of those in the same season is pretty in impressive.

[Shastafarian]

Idk why I'm getting attacked by Spurfan when I was one of the few people in this thread who said Duncan > Hakeem career wise.

I'm not attacking you. I'm trying to say that this notion (in a troll thread of all places) of one guy being better than the other is subjective. These people who are legitimately claiming one guy was better than the other are so full of it's hilarious.

[DAF86]

He's right about the stats. It was my mistake. I accidentally tallied the numbers from the 95 playoffs. Hakeem averaged 4 blocks and 11 rpg but only shot 52% from the field. Less than 2003 Duncan's 53%. BUT HE WAS CLEARLY BETTER!

I'm not saying he's wrong. I honestly want to know if he remembers things from 1994.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I honestly want to know if he remembers things from 1994.

Have you ever heard of ESPN classic?

[DAF86]

Have you ever heard of ESPN classic?

Not in Latin America.

[JoeTait75]

I'm not sure I'd call them teams.

Obviously though, they beat the Texas League and the UFL.

I'm trying to say that this notion (in a troll thread of all places) of one guy being better than the other is subjective.

Of course it is. So why are you so bent about it?

[TD 21]

In the 94 playoffs dream averaged 4 blocks per game. By no means was Duncan anything short of a great defender in 03, but 94 dream was undeniably a better defender.

Nobody averages 4 bpg anymore. That's like saying Russell and Chamberlain were better rebounders than Duncan because they averaged 22 rpg. It's irrelevant, because in this era players don't post stats like that.

Olajuwon was more athletic and flashier so, like Garnett, he appealed more to the masses than Duncan. But, Duncan was better.

People already have either forgotten or flat out don't know how great Duncan was. There was this illusion that he's "always had a lot of help", but it's not true. Particularly in the early 2000s, he carried a ridiculously heavy load.

[Blake]

Dreamshake buddy.

NBA All 1st team, NBA All defensive team, MVP, DPOY, FINALS MVP all in the same year.


Olajuwon was that player for one year.

Except for DPOY, so was Duncan.

Yippie.

[Blake]

Hakeem in his prime was as good as anyone, but career was I still say Duncan > Hakeem because his prime was a lot longer than 2 years.

but yeah, 1994 Olajuwon > 2003 Duncan.

pretty much

[Shastafarian]

Obviously though, they beat the Texas League and the UFL.

Would they? The Indians just lost two games to the Royals

Of course it is. So why are you so bent about it?

I dunno. I guess I'm easily trolled, even by people that aren't trolling.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Nobody averages 4 bpg anymore. That's like saying Russell and Chamberlain were better rebounders than Duncan because they averaged 22 rpg. It's irrelevant, because in this era players don't post stats like that.

Olajuwon was more athletic and flashier so, like Garnett, he appealed more to the masses than Duncan. But, Duncan was better.

People already have either forgotten or flat out don't know how great Duncan was. There was this illusion that he's "always had a lot of help", but it's not true. Particularly in the early 2000s, he carried a ridiculously heavy load.

Dwight is currently averaging 3.6 blocks per game in the playoffs. Both Duncan and Dream carried a similar load in the two discussed years. Both seasons were two of the best individual seasons in NBA history, but I give Dream the slight edge because of the DPOY and defensive impact he had.

[TD 21]

Dwight is currently averaging 3.6 blocks per game in the playoffs. Both Duncan and Dream carried a similar load in the two discussed years. Both seasons were two of the best individual seasons in NBA history, but I give Dream the slight edge because of the DPOY and defensive impact he had.

Playoffs. I'm talking about regular season. No one posts those types of numbers. It's been a while since someone averaged even 3 bpg, let alone 4. Different era, different numbers. Saying Olajuwon averaged 4 bpg doesn't make him a better defender, though. DPOY is a joke. Duncan and Bowen, who spearheaded a historically great defense for years, both don't have one. That right there tells you all you need to know about the award.

Let me ask all you people who constantly place seemingly every great player in history above Duncan: How did he accomplish all he did if he wasn't that great? Keep in mind he didn't have a bloated payroll annually and, while he obviously played with talent in his day, it's not like he played on the '86 Celtics. So how did he do all he did? Luck? I don't get it.

[JoeTait75]

Would they? The Indians just lost two games to the Royals

The Tribe is more International League/American Association than Texas League, to be fair.

To also be fair to Tim, he doesn't have Dream's flash. That does make a difference, and maybe it shouldn't.

But Dream went up against better big man than Tim did- and he dominated them in the crunch. You can throw around the numbers and the achievements, I get all that. Dream faced Ewing, Robinson and Shaq with stakes highest. He took those guys apart.

The '86 Celtics frontcourt didn't exactly hold him down either, BTW...

You look at the big men Tim has faced, outside of Shaq, it just isn't that impressive. I'm not talking about PFs, guys like KG and Webber. I'm talking about big men- which is really what Tim is.

That, IMO, should make a difference.

[djohn2oo8]

Playoffs. I'm talking about regular season. No one posts those types of numbers. It's been a while since someone averaged even 3 bpg, let alone 4. Different era, different numbers. Saying Olajuwon averaged 4 bpg doesn't make him a better defender, though. DPOY is a joke. Duncan and Bowen, who spearheaded a historically great defense for years, both don't have one. That right there tells you all you need to know about the award.

Let me ask all you people who constantly place seemingly every great player in history above him: How did he accomplish all he did if he wasn't that great? Keep in mind he didn't have a bloated payroll annually and, while he obviously played with talent in his day, it's not like he played on the '86 Celtics. So how did he do all he did, luck? I don't get it.

Wait, because Duncan and dirtyass Bowen don't have awards make it a joke?

[TD 21]

Pretty much. How could they not have won it? Seriously, put your bias aside for a minute. These two spearheaded a historically great defense for years. How does Camby have one, but neither of them? The award is a joke. You don't win it unless you're some athletic freak or physical specimen. It's all about looking the part and neither Duncan nor Bowen did.

[midnightpulp]

95 Hakeem The Dream could be considered the greatest basketball player of all time. In the playoffs, he went through the league's top 4 players (Malone, Barkley, Robinson, and Shaq) in one playoff run, putting up ridiculous numbers.

I've never seen a player as good as 95 Hakeem. Not 3 peat Shaq, first 3 peat Jordan, or 03 Duncan.

It's no insult to Duncan to claim that he would get outclassed by 95 Hakeem. He outclassed everyone.