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1993 to 1995 during which he was better than any big man I've ever seen. If you want him to play Duncan in a tournament where they play once a year for ten years I guess this is relevant. If its heads up in their primes its irrelevant.
Ok. Was his 84-97 better than Duncan's 97-2010?
1993 to 1995 during which he was better than any big man I've ever seen. If you want him to play Duncan in a tournament where they play once a year for ten years I guess this is relevant. If its heads up in their primes its irrelevant.
Hakeem really hit his prime when he started getting into Islam and learned to be more unselfish before the 1992-93 season he admits this in his book.
They weren't the dominant force of his era and you know it. Stop playing games. If you disagree that Duncan was better, fine, but there's no denying this: He got past the other dominant force of his era two times, while Olajuwon never even got to the dominant force of his era.
statistically? i dont know... and i dont want to look up numbers. im guessing from your post that it's not? or at least the same.
but is that really the argument? the point here is that prime dream would destroy prime duncan.
see above.
Hakeem had MANY years more dominant than Duncan, but the dude can't help it if he was surrounded by crap most of his career. LMFAO...is this now the argument that SA fans use.
No one's better than Jordan, quit wasting people's time.
He had a good 12 years of high level play. Can't fault Hakeem that the late 80s, early 90s Rockets sucked ass outside of him. Hakeem is one of those players who should have a couple more les. But there was no way Houston was going to compete roster wise in the no-cap era with the likes of the Lakers and Celtics.
In the 80s, when he had a good second player in Ralph Sampson (before he got injured), the Rockets made the Finals.
Did I say anyone was? You're obviously some not so closet Olajuwon fan, to the point where you're even referencing his book.
They're similar based on per minute stats.
You just told me that was Hakeem's prime. So, yeah.but is that really the argument?
lolthe point here is that prime dream would destroy prime duncan.
individually.....umm yeah.
If his team didn't get injury riddled and cracked out in the mid 80's this wouldn't even be a discussion. Too many people blame Hakeem for his lack of talent around him. Give me the players that surrounded Duncan and I'd easily take Hakeem over him.
When he had a decent team he upsetted one of the best teams in history..and then everything went into the crapper until he got the right talent around him.
Hakeem was a better offensive AND especially defensive player than Duncan.
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In 1992 Dream had Kenny Smith, Maxwell and Thorpe and didn't even make the playoffs. It's pretty obvious his true prime wasn't till 1993.
Yes, I can be a Spurs fan and still have respect for opponents. Be a fan of some of them even. Became an Olajuwon fan after he got older and was no longer a threat. Mostly because people forgot how great he was. You've never liked a non Spur?
Right. Every half decent player in the history of the game was apparently better than Duncan, yet somehow he managed to compile a resume that's greater than all but a handful of players in the history of the game. He did it without a bloated payroll, without another clear cut hall-of-fame player playing at the top of his game, etc. So, again I ask: How did he do all this? Luck? Or was he just better than the vast majority of people gave him credit for being?
Sure, I have Booharv. I liked Olajuwon, Robinson and Stockton, but my favorite was Malone. But you don't hear me claiming Malone was vastly superior to Olajuwon. I know where he stands; just like I know where Olajuwon and Duncan stand.
Sleepy Floyd, Ralph Sampson, Otis Thorpe, Kenny Smith, Vernon Maxwell, Robert Horry, Sam Cassell...
All these guys are .
Oh he also missed the playoffs in 1992
But I agree. He's far and away better than Duncan.
I remember Bill Simmons included some quotes several Lakers said about Hakeem in his Book of Basketball after the 86 WCF that were extremely embarrassingly fellatio like. WIll look them up...
Laugh all you want......you don't know about the talent Hakeem had to play with.
He came in and only his second year he went to the finals after beating one of the best teams in NBA history...then the wheels fell off.
Hakeem WAS THE BETTER PLAYER
Deny it all you want, but through some magical alternate universe if both players could enter the same draft....guess who G.M's would take first? Ill give you a hint, it wouldn't be Duncan....and that's no shot against Duncan.
His teammates were I tell ya!
Just chill, this really isn't a debate..All due respect to Duncan, but it isn't a debateLaugh all you want......you don't know about the talent Hakeem had to play with.
He came in and only his second year he went to the finals after beating one of the best teams in NBA history...then the wheels fell off.
Hakeem WAS THE BETTER PLAYER
Deny it all you want, but through some magical alternate universe if both players could enter the same draft....guess who G.M's would take first? Ill give you a hint, it wouldn't be Duncan....and that's no shot against Duncan.
Laugh all you want......you don't know about the talent Hakeem had to play with.
He came in and only his second year he went to the finals after beating one of the best teams in NBA history...then the wheels fell off.
Hakeem WAS THE BETTER PLAYER
Deny it all you want, but through some magical alternate universe if both players could enter the same draft....guess who G.M's would take first? Ill give you a hint, it wouldn't be Duncan....and that's no shot against Duncan.
let me rephrase it for you. hakeem at his very best beats out duncan at his very best.
duncan had many years of high level play, so did the dream.
Duncan's the best player since Jordan retired. I give him a slight nod over Shaq because of his under-rated team defense and the fact that he doesn't need a closer to avoid the Hack-A-Shaq. Shaq was better scorer, and required more attention. Duncan's great, he's my favorite player. And in no universe real or imagined was Hakeem a "half decent player".
Hakeem Olajuwon would beat Tim Duncan one on one.
I guess Duncan will have to live with the fact his team has never missed the playoffs or finished with a losing record.
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