Barcelona Offer Rudy Fernandez Contract = 3 Years $18.2 Million NBA Contract

[Spur_Fanatic]

The Superbowl is also broadcasted all over the world, and it' not a "global" sport.
Just a a single sport played in only one country (and the game sucks anyway).

Same with baseball.

Euroleague is kinda more global than the NBA, as it's closer to FIBA than the NBA is, right? In all honesty, the only thing one could argue for the NBA global power is that... the Chinese pay more attention to the NBA than the Euroleague. Gratz to the NBA.

[mogrovejo]

Do you think Europeans pay more attention to the NBA or to the Euroleague?

[Spur_Fanatic]

I've been all over the world, so personal experience here, mind you.

To asnwer you, it highly depends. Euros pay more attention to the Euroleague. But they do follow their countrymen a lot. Aside of that, Euroleague by bery decent margin easy.

In South America is different. I'd say the NBA is more followed, but only because they follow their countrymen as well. In Argentina (I'm there right now) NBA is followed more than the Euroleague for sure, but only because of Ginobili. The rest of the argentinian players are followed, but not as Ginobili, not even close. In Brazil it's 50/50, thanks to the brazilian players in the NBA. Rest of South American doesn't matter, very few fans, and they follow more the NBA.

Africa doesn't matter. But if you curious, they follow both. Depends on what the cable offers, and the last time I tour'd Africa, was more of a Euroleague turf. Been told NBA is gaining ground there, though.

In China is all NBA, but the common fans there are kinda . They just follow cause of Yao, yes, but they just follow the NBA cause of all the hype surrounding it. They don't have a basketball culture, so I understand it...

I could do it a country by country thing (the ones I remember, at least), but it would take me dozens of posts, sorry.

[Spur_Fanatic]

What the americans here have to understand, is that the game is different outside the NBA borders. How it's perceived, that is. An american basketball average fan has to understand it this way: Tell me, do you follow any american player, any of the thousands all over the world, as an argentinian follows Ginobili, a german follows Nowitzki, a spaniard follows Gasol? Of course not!

The MLB and the NFL are ignored by the rest of the world, not only because the games itself suck, but because they have no one to look out to. No one to cheer for.

Anyway, I better don't stray too much from the topic of this thread.
Hope anyone's doubt were answered.

[tlongII]

You can thank Nate for destroying Rudy Fernandez's dynamic game. Just last year Rudy was dunking on alley-oops, making Manu like passes and plays, etc. I think the signing of Miller regressed Rudy and Roy's game to some extent because you took the ball away from their hands. Nate turned him into the Spanish version of Sasha vaja . A spot up 3 point shooter.

No way. Rudy regressed because he had mid-season back surgery. He hasn't been the same player since Ariza injured him in the game against the Lakers last season.

[mogrovejo]

I'm European and for most of my life I've been around basketball, my question was rhetorical.

Who agrees with Spur_Fanatic?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Tell me, do you follow any american player, any of the thousands all over the world, as an argentinian follows Ginobili, a german follows Nowitzki, a spaniard follows Gasol? Of course not!

No , there are tons of Americans who have good NBA careers while those other countries are too ty at basketball to have tons of people from there in the NBA. Argentina having a player succeed in the NBA was the equivalent of a 10 year old learning how to take a without a diaper, so naturally Argentinians celebrate him and glorify the out of him.

[lil_penny]

No way. Rudy regressed because he had mid-season back surgery. He hasn't been the same player since Ariza injured him in the game against the Lakers last season.

This is very true also,

nate has no plays for rudy running baseline like there was with sergio, you could say it was the "spanish connection' but andre is one of the best alley opp passers in the game and I don't see any plays for it. Most the time rudy seems to be used as the guy they pass it too when with 4 secs left on the shot clock so he can attempt a miracle from deep wich lowered his 3pt% a lot just from the numerous times that happened... run him off a lot more screens.

[SomeCallMeTim]

What the americans here have to understand, is that the game is different outside the NBA borders. How it's perceived, that is. An american basketball average fan has to understand it this way: Tell me, do you follow any american player, any of the thousands all over the world, as an argentinian follows Ginobili, a german follows Nowitzki, a spaniard follows Gasol? Of course not!

The MLB and the NFL are ignored by the rest of the world, not only because the games itself suck, but because they have no one to look out to. No one to cheer for.

Sorry to hear that Venezuelans, Mexicans, Cubans, Dominicans, Koreans, Panamanians, and Japanese do not count as "the rest of the world" in your book.

Though I understand what you're driving at. NBA is way more cosmopolitan than the other big 3 North American sports. No comparison... no other sport has stars from 6 continents. The NBA should be very proud of that and it is a huge compe ive advantage. I am sure they are trying hard to exploit it, I just wonder if there's more they could do.

Pretty amazing when you look at how diverse the NBA's pull is WRT star players...

Parker - France
Dirk - Germany
Gasol - Spain
Bogut - Australia
Manu - Argentina
Yao - China
Nash - Canada

Throw in guys who aren't stars but who are very good players and/or pretty well known/popular like Peja, Casspi, Turkoglu, Scola, Nene, Varejao, Gallinari, Ilyasova, and Deng, and that's a really impressive spread of talent origin. Though I guess Africa lost its star when Deke retired... maybe Ibaka can help make up for that.

Just imagine what a superstar player from India would do for the NBA's international draw... or how about Japan.

Compare this with MLB which is definitely international, but really comes down to strong support only in 9 countries and those are all North American, South American, and Asian. And of those, only the US, Canada, South Korea, and Japan are wealthy top-tier countries that can do the most to help drive MLB's economics.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You know nothing about European basketball. You said Barcelona was overrated and would be eliminated before the playoffs and they won it all blowing out pretty much everybody. You said ACB was overrated and its clubs dominate Europe with ease. Why should anyone trust your takes? Rubio is Barcelona's super-star and the best PG outside the NBA.

Rubio did not make any all Euroleague team.

First team point guard was Milos Teodosic and second team point guard was Bo McCaleb. Rubio did not win MVP of the championship his teammate Navarro did. Also Navarro was first team all Euroleague and also Rubio's teammate Lorbek was second team all Euroleague.

Euroleague does not even consider Rubio the second best point guard let alone the best and it does not even consider him the second best player on his own team.

You are obviously just a troll and should be banned from this forum.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Euroleague final 4 was broadcasted in 192 countrys worldwide.
Just say´n.

197 actually

[Spur_Fanatic]

Sorry to hear that Venezuelans, Mexicans, Cubans, Dominicans, Koreans, Panamanians, and Japanese do not count as "the rest of the world" in your book.

Though I understand what you're driving at. NBA is way more cosmopolitan than the other big 3 North American sports. No comparison... no other sport has stars from 6 continents. The NBA should be very proud of that and it is a huge compe ive advantage. I am sure they are trying hard to exploit it, I just wonder if there's more they could do.

Pretty amazing when you look at how diverse the NBA's pull is WRT star players...

Parker - France
Dirk - Germany
Gasol - Spain
Bogut - Australia
Manu - Argentina
Yao - China
Nash - Canada

Throw in guys who aren't stars but who are very good players and/or pretty well known/popular like Peja, Casspi, Turkoglu, Scola, Nene, Varejao, Gallinari, Ilyasova, and Deng, and that's a really impressive spread of talent origin. Though I guess Africa lost its star when Deke retired... maybe Ibaka can help make up for that.

Just imagine what a superstar player from India would do for the NBA's international draw... or how about Japan.

Compare this with MLB which is definitely international, but really comes down to strong support only in 9 countries and those are all North American, South American, and Asian. And of those, only the US, Canada, South Korea, and Japan are wealthy top-tier countries that can do the most to help drive MLB's economics.

I've been all over the world, yes, but not been on every single country, of course, lol
(But I was in Mexico for quite a while, and also in Japan/S.Korea, but for a few days; though. I was kicked from Cuba only after a few hours).

I know baseball is important in Venezuela, but aside of that, never heard of baseball being played in any other south american country.

[Spur_Fanatic]

No , there are tons of Americans who have good NBA careers while those other countries are too ty at basketball to have tons of people from there in the NBA. Argentina having a player succeed in the NBA was the equivalent of a 10 year old learning how to take a without a diaper, so naturally Argentinians celebrate him and glorify the out of him.

Carefull with the Manu talk.

But yes. Kinda like you said (not that raw, lol). Is like Americans and football (what you peeps call "soccer"). Americans are horrible at it. They just can't produce good players, as they have no good football culture. Without it, americans won't mind football, cause they have no one to look out for. Thus, USA will never be good at football.

For a better example concerning the Argentinians, lol. Polo (I play it, for the record, I suck at it). Argentinians have the best players, and the best league. By far. They care little of the american and british leagues, and the players outside their own league, cause those players suck.

[mogrovejo]

What the americans here have to understand, is that the game is different outside the NBA borders. How it's perceived, that is. An american basketball average fan has to understand it this way: Tell me, do you follow any american player, any of the thousands all over the world, as an argentinian follows Ginobili, a german follows Nowitzki, a spaniard follows Gasol? Of course not!

The MLB and the NFL are ignored by the rest of the world, not only because the games itself suck, but because they have no one to look out to. No one to cheer for.

Anyway, I better don't stray too much from the topic of this thread.
Hope anyone's doubt were answered.

That's nuts. The NBA has been followed in Europe well before the influx of European players. I'd say the 92 Dream Team was just as important as a factor of popularity.

I've been all over the world, so personal experience here, mind you.

To asnwer you, it highly depends. Euros pay more attention to the Euroleague. But they do follow their countrymen a lot. Aside of that, Euroleague by bery decent margin easy.

In South America is different. I'd say the NBA is more followed, but only because they follow their countrymen as well. In Argentina (I'm there right now) NBA is followed more than the Euroleague for sure, but only because of Ginobili. The rest of the argentinian players are followed, but not as Ginobili, not even close. In Brazil it's 50/50, thanks to the brazilian players in the NBA. Rest of South American doesn't matter, very few fans, and they follow more the NBA.

Africa doesn't matter. But if you curious, they follow both. Depends on what the cable offers, and the last time I tour'd Africa, was more of a Euroleague turf. Been told NBA is gaining ground there, though.

In China is all NBA, but the common fans there are kinda . They just follow cause of Yao, yes, but they just follow the NBA cause of all the hype surrounding it. They don't have a basketball culture, so I understand it...

I could do it a country by country thing (the ones I remember, at least), but it would take me dozens of posts, sorry.

The NBA has better ratings in Europe than the Euroleague. Heck, most Euroleague games aren't broadcasted for more than a couple of countries.

NBA players are more popular than Euroleague players and it's not even close.

In the press, there's more attention to the NBA than to the Euroleague - even in countries with no players in the NBA.

The Euroleague has very little impact beyond hardcore basketball fans + fans of the clubs that are actually playing the compe ion (who aren't that many, half of the Euroleague clubs average attendance is below 5,000 per game).

There are relatively few casual basketball fans in Europe and they tend to be NBA fans first, domestic league fans a distant 2nd, Euroleague fans a very distant 3rd.

A friendly NBA game in London between, say, the Jazz and the Bulls sells out in a hurry in spite of the expensive prices - and not because there are people from Chicago or Salt Lake City flying to London to see a friendly game.

An Euroleague final in the same spot only sells out because fans from the 4 teams playing actually travel to see the game. Organized a Barcelona vs. Olympiacos pre-season friendly on a 17,000 seats arena in London or Berlin or Paris or Rome and you'd have 1/10 of the seats filled. Assuming the tickets are cheap.

[mogrovejo]

Rubio did not make any all Euroleague team.

First team point guard was Milos Teodosic and second team point guard was Bo McCaleb. Rubio did not win MVP of the championship his teammate Navarro did. Also Navarro was first team all Euroleague and also Rubio's teammate Lorbek was second team all Euroleague.

Euroleague does not even consider Rubio the second best point guard let alone the best and it does not even consider him the second best player on his own team.

You are obviously just a troll and should be banned from this forum.

You predicted Barcelona wouldn't make it past the top-16 and were overrated.

They won it all blowing out their opponents and are considered the best European team ever.

What kind of credibility you have? Can you explain to us Barcelona's success?

[Spur_Fanatic]

Well, I'll take your word for it.
Not been in Europe (except England) for a few years now.

The Euroleague has very little impact beyond hardcore basketball fans + fans of the clubs that are actually playing the compe ion (who aren't that many, half of the Euroleague clubs average attendance is below 5,000 per game).

Aaah, that's kinda true. Maybe I was around those guys, as my euro friends are heavy basketball (and football) fans. But as for the stadiums, been on plenty of sellout games.
I don't remember empty stadiums, but maybe I was just lucky.

I don't see the Jazz and the Bulls selling out in London in a hurry. Of course, there isNBA fans everywhere. Thus, it's very likely any NBA game, anywhere around the world, will be sold-out.
Plus, Bulls have Deng, which can only help to sell tickets, right?

But if you live there now, I have to take your word for it.
I always wanted to know. How's basketball in France?
(been all over Europe, never visited France, outside an airport)

I just though, that as I move so much, maybe one mistakes the lack of a enthusiams of the locals because it's an offseason, or whatever.
I'll admit to the possibility, and account (as I've been doing) on what I personally saw.

[ChumpDumper]

That's nuts. The NBA has been followed in Europe well before the influx of European players. I'd say the 92 Dream Team was just as important as a factor of popularity.



The NBA has better ratings in Europe than the Euroleague. Heck, most Euroleague games aren't broadcasted for more than a couple of countries.

NBA players are more popular than Euroleague players and it's not even close.

In the press, there's more attention to the NBA than to the Euroleague - even in countries with no players in the NBA.

The Euroleague has very little impact beyond hardcore basketball fans + fans of the clubs that are actually playing the compe ion (who aren't that many, half of the Euroleague clubs average attendance is below 5,000 per game).

There are relatively few casual basketball fans in Europe and they tend to be NBA fans first, domestic league fans a distant 2nd, Euroleague fans a very distant 3rd.

A friendly NBA game in London between, say, the Jazz and the Bulls sells out in a hurry in spite of the expensive prices - and not because there are people from Chicago or Salt Lake City flying to London to see a friendly game.

An Euroleague final in the same spot only sells out because fans from the 4 teams playing actually travel to see the game. Organized a Barcelona vs. Olympiacos pre-season friendly on a 17,000 seats arena in London or Berlin or Paris or Rome and you'd have 1/10 of the seats filled. Assuming the tickets are cheap.

Is lies!

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

That's nuts. The NBA has been followed in Europe well before the influx of European players. I'd say the 92 Dream Team was just as important as a factor of popularity.



The NBA has better ratings in Europe than the Euroleague. Heck, most Euroleague games aren't broadcasted for more than a couple of countries.

NBA players are more popular than Euroleague players and it's not even close.

In the press, there's more attention to the NBA than to the Euroleague - even in countries with no players in the NBA.

The Euroleague has very little impact beyond hardcore basketball fans + fans of the clubs that are actually playing the compe ion (who aren't that many, half of the Euroleague clubs average attendance is below 5,000 per game).

There are relatively few casual basketball fans in Europe and they tend to be NBA fans first, domestic league fans a distant 2nd, Euroleague fans a very distant 3rd.

A friendly NBA game in London between, say, the Jazz and the Bulls sells out in a hurry in spite of the expensive prices - and not because there are people from Chicago or Salt Lake City flying to London to see a friendly game.

An Euroleague final in the same spot only sells out because fans from the 4 teams playing actually travel to see the game. Organized a Barcelona vs. Olympiacos pre-season friendly on a 17,000 seats arena in London or Berlin or Paris or Rome and you'd have 1/10 of the seats filled. Assuming the tickets are cheap.

This guy is a pure liar. There is no way he has ever set foot in Europe. Every European knows Euroleague is higher rated on TV than NBA in Europe. This guy is a total fake.

Kori if I send you the TV ratings proving his ridiculous lies will you ban him?

[ChumpDumper]

Could you give us a link to the European ratings of both?

Thanks in advance.

[Mel_13]

http://www.sport.es/default.asp?idpu...ccio_PK=808&h=

lol 60% buyout

[ChumpDumper]

This guy is a pure liar. There is no way he has ever set foot in Europe. Every European knows Euroleague is higher rated on TV than NBA in Europe. This guy is a total fake.

Kori if I send you the TV ratings proving his ridiculous lies will you ban him?

Why didn't you just post a link to the ratings?

[anonoftheinternets]

lol

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Rudy told Spanish press today

"I want to have the best choice for me and to be a happy person and above all, a person that when on the court is able to play to my full ability. This could be in Barcelona, Madrid, Joventut, or in Portland, or another NBA team."


So much for the Rudy cannot leave Portland for Barcelona posts.

[Mel_13]

Rudy told Spanish press today

"I want to have the best choice for me and to be a happy person and above all, a person that when on the court is able to play to my full ability. This could be in Barcelona, Madrid, Joventut, or in Portland, or another NBA team."


So much for the Rudy cannot leave Portland for Barcelona posts.

I provided the link to the article where Rudy says he has not spoken to Barca or Madrid because he is under contract to Portland. Rudy says your thread le is a lie. Anyone can read the actual article instead of the KBP/Michael version.

http://www.sport.es/default.asp?idpu...ccio_PK=808&h=

lol 60% buyout

[ChumpDumper]

Rudy told Spanish press today

"I want to have the best choice for me and to be a happy person and above all, a person that when on the court is able to play to my full ability. This could be in Barcelona, Madrid, Joventut, or in Portland, or another NBA team."


So much for the Rudy cannot leave Portland for Barcelona posts.

Link?