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    Whitlock will always have a special place in my heart for the way he on Mike Pubelica.

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    I don't get the preamble saying that "Nash suddenly looks 40." It really doesn't matter how well Nash plays because the Suns have no chance with the Lakers size advantage.

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    Amare deserves it.

    Howard is just bereft. He's scared to death.

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    Howard is an attention .

    Amare is in his own world.

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    I know one guy who is kinda glad Amare and Dwight are soaking up the media's spite; LeBron...

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    Bernoullin' niggas! BUMP's Avatar
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    He talks about how Amare and Howard refuse to play defense because they grew up in a different era (AAU era) when really its not even that.

    All you have to do is look at a championship team like the Boston Celtics, Lakers, or Spurs when they were winning and realize that it takes a total defensive team effort to win it all but Amare is just too dumb to realize.

    I've seen Howard rise to that level before, I just think he's having a bad series. Amare on the other hand....

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    The clown suit Rajon Rondo is s ching for Jameer Nelson
    pwned


    oh and lol @ the child abuse analogy.

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    He talks about how Amare and Howard refuse to play defense because they grew up in a different era (AAU era) when really its not even that.

    All you have to do is look at a championship team like the Boston Celtics, Lakers, or Spurs when they were winning and realize that it takes a total defensive team effort to win it all but Amare is just too dumb to realize.

    I've seen Howard rise to that level before, I just think he's having a bad series. Amare on the other hand....

    I don't get the "different era" talk either. Defense is just as important now as it has ever been. And yeah, Amare just doesn't get it. He doesn't knowingly play bad defense, he's too dumb to know what good defense is. I don't blame it on coaching, but the combination of going straight to the NBA from high school and having a coach for most of his career who didn't stress defense at all is a big reason why he doesn't play consistent, good D. Prior to this series, he'd been playing the best D of his career because the entire team had finally bought into defense.

    After that game, I'd support Kerr for whatever decision he wants to make because there's only so many 2nd chances a player can get, but I still think the Suns shouldn't give up on him yet because we've seen players finally grow up after more years in the NBA than Amare's had (Zach Randolph and Paul Pierce just to name a few).

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    that clown lost all credibility when he said;

    Mark Jackson-the BEST NBA color analyst

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    Whitlock's one of the worst at changing his stance to fit whatever his argument is at the time. He plays the race card nonstop, yet got into a feud with Scoop Jackson because he accused Scoop of playing the race card.

    The only thing he's consistent about is his knobslobbing of Donovan McNabb.
    Whitlock plays the race card from both ends. He can sound like Jesse Jackson one day- and Jesse Helms the next.

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    The Bill Russell knob slobbing is hilarious. Dwight Howard would have average 30 rebounds a game against the 6'5" honkies Russell played against. By far the most overrated player of all time.

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    Bernoullin' niggas! BUMP's Avatar
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    The Bill Russell knob slobbing is hilarious. Dwight Howard would have average 30 rebounds a game against the 6'5" honkies Russell played against. By far the most overrated player of all time.
    seriously, he'd be a smaller version of Lamar Odom today, but a little smarter on defense

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    seriously, he'd be a smaller version of Lamar Odom today, but a little smarter on defense
    If you could insert Russell's genetic code into an embryo conceived in 1985, he'd likely be a slightly taller version of Lebron James. Russell was the fastest player in the league during his time, boasting Olympic class speed, and one of the best high jumpers in the world. He could easily beat James in a foot race and most likely out jump him as well.

    Give Russell all the advanced training and coaching methods of the modern era and you'd have a player today who would have few equals. He'd easily be one of the top 3 players in the league, if not the best.

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    If you could insert Russell's genetic code into an embryo conceived in 1985, he'd likely be a slightly taller version of Lebron James. Russell was the fastest player in the league during his time, boasting Olympic class speed, and one of the best high jumpers in the world. He could easily beat James in a foot race and most likely out jump him as well.

    Give Russell all the advanced training and coaching methods of the modern era and you'd have a player today who would have few equals. He'd easily be one of the top 3 players in the league, if not the best.
    If I was 7'2, had Shaq's strength, Iverson's handles, and Kobe's shots i'd be the best player ever

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    If I was 7'2, had Shaq's strength, Iverson's handles, and Kobe's shots i'd be the best player ever
    That's great, but in Russell's case there are no "ifs."

    He WAS the most athletic and smartest player of his era and would be one of the top 3 athletes in the league today. Human beings don't evolve in 40 years, but training technology and coaching philosophy sure does. You give Russell all the benefits of the modern era and he's one of the best players in the league. He'd probably lead the league in rebounds, be its best defender, be the best passing big in the league, and given Russell's work ethic, he'd develop those offense skills he lacked during his playing days.

    So many people like to throw around proclamations about Russell ("He played against 6'5" honkies" "He'd be nothing but a glorified Ben Wallace today!") when they don't know jack about the kind of player/athlete he was.

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    He talks about how Amare and Howard refuse to play defense because they grew up in a different era (AAU era) when really its not even that.

    All you have to do is look at a championship team like the Boston Celtics, Lakers, or Spurs when they were winning and realize that it takes a total defensive team effort to win it all but Amare is just too dumb to realize.

    I've seen Howard rise to that level before, I just think he's having a bad series. Amare on the other hand....
    Howard is the best defender in the game, Orlando one of the best defensive teams in the league and they're in fact playing excellent defense vs. Boston - especially Howard who has been a monster.

    And yet Howard refuses to play defense because he grew in a different era?

    Why do people write and read this reactionary, over-emotional articles?

    There were plenty of defensive sieves pre-ACU era. There are plenty of awesome defensive players who come from the ACU rankings.

    Awful article, someone should write to his boss.

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    Bill Russell had all the physical advantages in the world during his era and he was a mediocre offensive player. Desagna Diop would have been dominant in an era where Dolph Schayes (a 6'7", 195 pound white boy) was a HoF center.

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    Bill Russell had all the physical advantages in the world during his era
    Did he? He was what, 6'8"? There were guys taller than him.

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    Talk to me when he goes from guarding this......






    To this




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    Did he? He was what, 6'8"? There were guys taller than him.

    I've always heard he was 6'10". All I know is he shoulda been able to average more than 15.0 PPG at 44% shooting.

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    All I know is he shoulda been able to average more than 15.0 PPG at 44% shooting.
    Maybe that should tell you you're underestimating his contemporaries, eh Jude?

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    lame

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    I wouldn't you. That's a bound.

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    Bill Russell had all the physical advantages in the world during his era and he was a mediocre offensive player. Desagna Diop would have been dominant in an era where Dolph Schayes (a 6'7", 195 pound white boy) was a HoF center.
    Diop is nowhere near the athlete, defender, or basketball mind that Russell is. Nice move in cherry picking Schayes. But what about players like Walt Bellamy, Wilt, Bob Pet , and a slew of lesser 6-10-7 foot players who never did ? Why didn't they dominate like Russell if the only trait you needed back then to be a good player was to be taller than 6-5? (It's also worth nothing that players were measuring in their bare feet back then as opposed to players being measured in the shoes today).

    If Russell was just a glorified athlete that picked on "6-5 honkeys" how do you explain Russell leading the University of San Francisco to back-to-back National les? That college didn't do before his arrival and hasn't done since his departure. Yet Wilt, who was taller and just as athletic as Russell with a better offensive game, couldn't lead a marquee program in Kansas to one championship. If it was that easy, Chamberlain should've been able to replicate the feat.

    Russell is one of those players you can't quantify with stats, PER, etc. His defensive game, basketball IQ, intangibles, transcend what can be measured.

    He's the ultimate team player.

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