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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
Never forget
Friendly Fire happens in wartime... It happens so often, they even came up with a term that is in the colloquial vocabulary; Friendly Fire...
Doesn't make it right, but if you indicted every country that has at some point fired on their allies during battle, you might have to indict every country that has participated in any war ever...
Never, ever, forget
one can only be considered indoctrinated or brainwashed if he turns himself into a pious adherent of, what, a politician. That's the wand that commies always choose to use in ruling their citizens, and we all have found how it worked out in the great Soviet Union. Oh Wait, the FORMER Soviet Union.
Are you familiar with the details of the attack? You don't have to be an anti-Zionist to doubt that the USS Liberty -- a US intelligence vessel already positively identified by the IDF three hours before the attack, flying its colors in clear weather and clearly identified by Roman letters and numerals on it's hull -- was honestly mistaken for an Egyptian horse carrier.
Sec'y of State Dean Rusk didn't believe it. Neither did former Joint Chiefs CHMN Adm. Thomas Moorer. Nor did NSA director Lt Gen Marshall Carter, who so tesstified before Congress.
What makes you so sure you're right, and so many US officials with full access to the relevant contemporary intelligence were wrong?
All the doubts seem warranted, but the logic or strategy at work seems well beyond inscrutable. The only potential scenario the writer of the CT article ventured was that the Liberty may have intercepted information that would reveal Israel's true intentions leading up to the 6 Day War, and that this may have ed US/Israeli relations with respect to the conflict. But would sinking a defenseless US intel ship do less damage? As a global PR gaffe as much as a diplomatic/political one? Clearly not.
While the global media was sold the story that it was a case of mistaken iden y, top brass certainly knew the whole story and chose to accept whatever justifications Jerusalem offered. Considering both the half-baked administrative response and the fact that so much US intelligence re: the issue is missing all but proves the US is complicit in whatever happened (at least post facto), which only makes the whole thing more curious. What did the US get out of this to stay their hand? Or, what excuse could have justified the attack?
The only thing I can think of that makes any sense is that this actually was a case of an honest mistake, but that it happened at the level of Mossad, not the Israeli armed forces. But it sure sounds like we'll never know.
As for the topic of Israel in general, I read this yesterday and found it thought-provoking:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/arch...establishment/
Despite my general disdain for theocracies, I do support Israel, and I sympathize with the problems they face (a highly disadvantageous figure-8 political boundary that makes them highly vulnerable to a literal divide-and-conquer strategy, extremely aggressive neighbors) , but I think the siege mentality they have been living under has caused them to become more and more morally ambiguous about issues like egalitarianism, property, and war.
I honestly believe their ultimate motive is safety, but like the US (or rather the US like them), they have escalated their procrustean solutions to conflict while allowing their ethical position of power -- and global popular support along with it -- to fall by the wayside. Having followed this path for generations now, they've now begun to alienate their true base of support: American Jews. One can only wonder what will become of Israel if it gets totally tuned out down the line.
Maybe you should make a youtube listing all the zionists you think suck. Don't forget to number them!Zionist hater checking in
Yep. More than anything else the absence of any convincing motive makes me doubt the attack was intentional, in spite of the obvious implausibility of IDF claims it was accidental.
Political considerations -- rather than any zeal for the truth -- seem to have driven the over-hasty and oddly limited contemporaneous investigation.
The half-baked rescue is frankly as puzzling to me as the attack. It almost looks like someone wanted the USS Liberty to sink with all hands.
Bamford's thesis about concealing atrocities at El-Arish is ultimately unsatisfying, and so is the false flag thesis, mainly for the reason you already gave: sinking a US intelligence ship would have been an insanely risky tactic, given the meager possibility of strategic success.
Like you suggested, the only thing that is clear at this point is that the US and Israel both have something to hide about the incident.
It seems that way to me too.
Still, it annoyed me that jacobdrj tried to wave it off with a cliche'. The secrecy obtaining to this very day on both sides undermines the inference of bona fides lodged in the conclusion that the sinking of the USS Liberty was friendly fire. JMO.
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I wouldn't call myself a Zionist hater, but I'm definitely not a supporter of Zionism, nor the state of Israels policies with regards to the Palestinians and the world in general.
I personally think AIPAC has way too much power over the politicians and foreign policy in the United States.
You might be surprised how much of AIPAC's power actually comes from Christian PACs that want to get every last Jew back to Israel so that Jesus can come back to town.
These damn radical Zionists...
I'm sure that is true. People like John Hagee are nutbags. Regardless of that, it's a laughable matter that almost half of our foreign aid goes to supporting Israel.
The day before the attack on the Liberty, Israeli aircraft had bombed an Israeli armored column south of the West Bank town of Jenin, demonstrating such mistakes do happen
The ship had already been identified earlier, but then time passed and the ship traveled many miles away from it's original location.
They couldn't identify it the 2nd time. These things happen.
The only motivation Israel would have would be to cover up what they are doing to their enemies, to avoid criticism....
We could find out whatever we wanted, so that's not a plausible explanation.
If ya ask me, it was a mistake.
No one denied they do.
Eminently reasonable. But so is the opposite conclusion. It's not an easy call, IMO.
you you little jihadist , dont think your comments were forgotten
That is pretty laughable considering it's not true.
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Just so everyone knows, Ghazi openly hates America and thinks Iran is a better country. He even thinks Iran had a legitimate reason to invade the US embassy and take hostages. To quote him exactly, "We did what we had to do." Ghazi for all intensive purposes is an Iranian terrorist cell in the US. He doesn't consider himself an American, he is openly way more loyal to Iran and said that US should be thanking Iran because they needed Iran's help against Iraq. I'm not making any of this up.
Is that a response to me?
Because he has obnoxious opinions? GTFO. That's not terrorism. That's just being a jackass.
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