Sorry, clarification. Odom wasn't moving lazily, as you suggested when you said he was late to the spot. Not getting the ball inside was lazy for the Lakers offense in general.
Oh, Bynum was right.
But he didn't say "I don't know where to be to attack zone offenses, I don't know that the point is to attack the middle, get the ball inside the zone, force it to collapse and fill the empty spaces".
However Jamstone is pretending he did.
And I'm only using your posts as a proxy to make my points, you shouldn't be excited thinking I'm actually discussing basketball with you.
In the video where Bynum gets in Kobe's and Pau's way and makes a rainbow route around the three point line, are you suggesting that is planned? Do you think that's what he's supposed to do?
Let's refresh your memory.
So Bynum knows what he's doing there when he gets in the way of Kobe's dribble, circles the top of the key, then runs right in front of Pau as Pau is shooting a midrange jumper.
Bynum knows where he's supposed to be there?
Another clarification is needed here. Where exactly should have Bynum gone? When Kobe gathers the pass he moves to the baseline? Or with Artest in the left post he shouldn't?
Still don't understand your answer except you seem to think he shouldn't have popped out.
Planned? Planned?
You're completely out of depth, boy.
I have to go, but let me explain you something about zones: after a point, nothing is planned.
Once the zone collapses, there are no patterns whatsoever. There's only one thing to do: find and fill the open space.
When Kobe drives, the zone est finita. They collapse on him and a 3x1in the middle is created.
So, with this in mind, where should have Bynum gone?
Already said it, drop back down to the low block. Someone on the left side should be running baseline to get to that right elbow. It should not be Bynum popping out.
Explain this comment please.Planned? Planned?
You're completely out of depth, boy.
So in that clip, Andrew Bynum knew where he was going? Is that what he was supposed to do, where he was supposed to go?
What he exactly said was " I had no idea where the heck I was supposed to be at and i'm sure I wasn't the only one"
So yes he did say that. That he didn't go into specific details makes no difference. The man clearly admits he was clueless and it showed.
In my book...
1) I had no idea where the heck I was supposed to be
2) I don't know where to be to attack zone offenses
are pretty much saying the same thing... you insist that he never said it. Go figure.
How many times do you need the same answer? He should have dropped back down to the low block. One of the players on the overloaded left side should have run baseline to get to the right elbow. Bynum should not be popping out.
As for once the zone collapses, there are no patterns and nothing is planned, when Bynum popped out, the zone had not yet collapsed. The zone had not been penetrated yet. The ball was at the top of the key in Kobe's hands. Kobe had not driven yet.
So answer my question. In the clip, did Bynum know where he was supposed to be? Did Bynum know what he was doing?
To your zone workshop fool. You know it all!!!!!
And he flashed to the elbow to offer the passing lane to get the ball inside.
Wait, I thought that's exactly what you've said multiple times players should be doing.
Now you're saying that when the ball is rotated the players should drop to the low post? I mean, till this moment you've never argued that when the ball is reversed from side to side in the perimeter the post player should go down low. And now suddenly, out of nowhere, that's what Bynum should have done?
Please explain.
Enough is enough...
Go Lakers!
Are you suggesting that Bynum knew what he was doing in that clip.
This clip:
Is it your position that Andrew Bynum knows what he's doing and where he's supposed to be in the above clip?
Offer a passing lane where? Passing lane to go inside to whom? He's popping out because he doesn't know what the he's doing and where the he's supposed to be.
When the ball goes back to the top, the post player should get back on the low block to set and wait for the ball to get to the elbow of either side. The ball never got to the right elbow. If it had, that would allow Bynum to once again flash to the middle.
Please tell me you're not saying Bynum knew what he was doing in that clip.
Correct, he wasn't the only one. Biggest proof: with Bynum on the bench, they weren't any better with the zone.
Your book apparently sucks. Jamstone thinks he knows exactly where to go to attack a zone. Put him in there and he'd have no idea where he was supposed to be and he'd be lost the entire possession.
No need to keep posting the clip. I've watched it multiple times before you were even aware of its existence.
His movement looks kind of odd, that's what's puzzling you? It doesn't look right, so something must have gone wrong there. That's not how you do video analysis. That's a very misleading to have when analysing film.
Why are you ducking the question?
In that play, Bynum flashed to the elbow to offer the passing lane to get the ball inside.
I thought that's exactly what you've said multiple times players should be doing.
Now you're saying that when the ball is rotated the players should drop to the low post? I mean, till this moment you've never argued that when the ball is reversed from side to side in the perimeter the post player should go down low. And now suddenly, out of nowhere, that's what Bynum should have done?
Please, answer. Please, explain.
I would imagine you would think my book sucks when it shows you the fool that you are in 2 simple sentences.
Goodnight... and good luck at your next workshop. Maybe when you get done with them mommy will buy you an actual ball.
Andrew Bynum left the third quarter at the 10:40 mark and was subbed by Lamar Odom. At that point, the Lakers went 7-for-10 from the field and scored 21 points in the next 6:37 until the 4:03 mark when Odom also was subbed out for foul trouble.
You have yet to answer my question, yet you insist on me answering yours.
In that play, Bynum didn't pop out to offer a passing lane. He went out to go get a pass. He didn't know what he was supposed to do. There was no passing lane to get the ball inside on the right side of the set because no other player was there. Offer a passing lane to get the ball inside to whom? There was no one there.
When the ball gets rotated back to the top of the key, the post player drops back to the low block and waits for the ball to get to one side again. When the ball gets to one side, that's when the post player once again flashes to the middle of the zone.
I've answered this like 4 times now. I'm not evading the question. I've answered it. You keep misinterpreting it and making inaccurate assumptions.
The post flashes once the ball gets to one side. One the ball gets rotated to the top of the key, as in the clip, the post re-sets and goes down back to the low block. Once the ball rotates again to one side, the post flashes to the middle of the zone to receive a pass.
There is nothing inconsistent in what I've said. Something has got to be wrong with how you're reading it.
And until that moment Bynum was subbed out, they scored 1.6 points per possession and missed a single shot - a wide open 3 by Kobe. They didn't have a single turnover.
Your point?
You didn't answer my question. You just said it looked odd. But you didn't answer the question.
In the clip, did Andrew Bynum know what he was doing and know where he was supposed to be?
That was 1 minute and 20 seconds worth of play.
How did they do in the second quarter with Bynum in the game after the Suns started playing zone?
So, if the ball is reversed to the top of the key and Gasol doesn't drop out to the down block and stays in the high post looking for the pass, does it mean that Gasol is yet another NBA veteran that doens't know where to go in a zone?
I keep answering your questions. Multiple times.
Are you going to answer my question?
ABout the same they did in the 4th with Bynum sitting on the bench.
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