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Some thoughts:
- It sucks not to have all players size.
- Paul George is 6'9".
- Xavier Henry and James Anderson have enough size to play SF.
- Patterson has a good size and wingspan. He makes even less likely that he slips at 20.
- Babbitt is 6'9".
Measurements are available:
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-...t=&pos=&sort=3
Some thoughts:
- It sucks not to have all players size.
- Paul George is 6'9".
- Xavier Henry and James Anderson have enough size to play SF.
- Patterson has a good size and wingspan. He makes even less likely that he slips at 20.
- Babbitt is 6'9".
Last edited by Bruno; 05-21-2010 at 02:15 PM.
If you were making evaluations solely from the measurements (not that I recommend it, but it's an interesting exercise), here are a few observations:
-Solomon Alabi is perhaps the most intriguing player in the draft. 6' 11.5" w/o shoes, 7' 0.75" w/shoes, 237 pounds, 7' 5" wingspan, 9' 5" standing reach, 5.0% body fat. Get that kid in a weight room for about 2 years straight, and you could have a legitimate 7'1" center.
-Dexter Pittman is similarly intriguing, as he was measured slightly taller and longer than I expected. 6' 9.5" w/o shoes, 6' 11.5" w/shoes, 303 pounds, 7' 6" wingspan, 9' 3" standing reach, 20.8% body fat. Get that kid on a treadmill for 2 years straight and you might have a pretty solid 7 footer on your hands.
-Ekpe Udoh's measurements were underwhelming, as he's only 6'9.75" in shoes, and has one of the shortest standing reaches of anyone in the 6'8"+ group.
-Larry Sanders has one of the biggest height to wingspan discrepencies; 6' 9.25" w/o shoes, 6' 10.5" w/shoes, 222 pounds, 7' 5.75" wingspan, 9' 4" standing reach, 4.6% body fat. Again, weight room.
-Lazar Hayward probably wins this category among the swingmen. 6' 4.5" w/o shoes, 6' 5.75" w/shoes, 226 pounds, 7' 0.75" wingspan, 8' 6" standing reach. This helps explain why he was able to play bigman a lot in college, and could be an asset if he manages to improve his lateral quickness.
Extremely impressed with Paul George's measurements. 6'9" in terms of NBA height, with a 7'0" wingspans and 8'11" standing reach. They are all huge measurements for a wing, it would actually make him one of longer swings in the L.
Gives him enormous potential as a defensive stopper. Im liking this pick, but if he does will in his speed and vertical stuff, coupled with this - he will be too intruiging to drop to 20.
Here's hoping.
1st round = SF
Paul George, Luke Babbit, Damion James, Gordon Hayward
2nd round = C
Artsiom Parakhouski, Jerome Jordan, Dexter Pittman, Jarvis Varnado
James and Pittman would be a good combo. And they already have the chemistry
Not a fan of Damion James at 20. And Pittman would be a decent pick, but if Varnado is there I think you definitely take him first.
Hoopsworld...
Here are some notes from the Combine
Steve Kyler
Hoopsworld
San Antonio Shopping: Teams are allowed to conduct face-to-face interview with 18 players during the Draft Combine.
The San Antonio Spurs hold the 20th pick in the June 24th NBA Draft.
So why did the Spurs schedule interviews with DeMacrus Cousins, Derrick Favors and Xavier Henry?
The Spurs are one of several teams trying to move up in the draft, likely into the Top 5, with sources at the Combine saying that Philadelphia and New Jersey have made it clear they'd trade their picks for the right price.
Favors said his meeting with the Spurs was good, and that he felt like the Spurs were trying to move up to get him. Cousins admitted that he skipped his meeting with the Spurs at his agent's suggestion.
Sources close to the Spurs labeled their Combine as routine shopping and cautioned not to read to much into it. But there is no doubting that San Antonio spent a large chunk of their 18 interview slots on players well outside their reach according to their current draft position.
While the Spurs are one of the more thorough teams in the league in understanding who's in the draft class, they are also not a team that will waste time on players they have no shot at either.http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16305Picks For Sale: There are several teams trying to move up in this draft class. There are some teams trying to acquire picks and some teams that are openly trying to sell picks for future draft assets or cash.
The Spurs and Houston Rockets are trying to move up in this class, and would be willing to part with both roster pieces and cash to make the jump. Sources close to the Spurs thinking say Tony Parker could be moved if it landed them in the Top 3, likely why they interviewed Top 5 prospects.
The Rockets are not willing to be as generous. Word is the Rockets are in the market for a top 10 selection and would pay cash to move up. It is unlikely the Rockets give up meaningful assets to move up but they are in the market.
The New York Knicks, the Charlotte Bobcats and the Dallas Mavericks are all in the market for additional draft assets. They could be the teams that gobble up a team's duplicated pick as the draft gets underway, especially the duplicated picks at the bottom of the first round.
The Memphis Grizzlies and Minnesota Timberwolves are each sitting on multiple picks in the first round. Word is Memphis is trying to move both the 25th and the 28th selections. Minnesota is trying to move the 23rd pick to avoid the guaranteed salary that selection would receive.
There is talk that Orlando would trade the player they draft with the 29th pick, so in essence that pick is for sale too, but because Orlando has to use the pick nothing happens with them until the draft. (Edit - future first-round picks cannot be traded in back-to-back seasons.)
The going rate for a first-round draft pick is $3 million in cash, so it's easy to see why teams would want to move the pick if they can, and why some teams would pass on acquiring it.
ok, hoopsworld, grain of salt etc.
but such reports are meanwhile coming from different sites.
and I also thought this why do they interview Cousins and Favors if they don't at least have a plan that could land them a top 3 pick.
IMO there are only 3 realistic trade up scenarios:
-Tony (ev. +#20, plus ev. Splitter): could be good for a top 3 pick.
- Splitter rights + #20pick: a nice and attractive offer for several team, but never ever brings back a top 3 pick. likely a #10-15 pick.
- #20pick + next years 1st rounder: could bring back a #16-18 pick.
While there are plenty of grounds for speculation, trading two proven players and a pick for an unproven rook seems risky in a way I've never known the Spurs FO to operate.
Are Cousins/Favors really worth betting the potential future core of the Spurs on?
It will be interesting to watch things unfold.
What about the value of taking on another contract. Jeffersons EC and 20 to Philly for Brands monstosity of a contract and #2?(I think, despite how much Brand has sucked, I might do that. We're over the cap anyway, and going for it fully whilst gaining a lottery pick would be of high value.)
I don't know whether other teams would be interested in Blair. Some Teams would like a Big Wide Body like him, but is Blair+20 enough to get #2?
but this player would become the potential core of the future.
I think it all depends on Pop's and RC's estimation about Favors or Cousins. (this idea I don't like that much)
they worked enough with all time greats in Tim and Dave that they should recognize a franchise talent when they see it. if they see this in either player, I would say yes, it's worth whatever it takes.
maybe they see the next Dwight Howard in Favors, or the next Shaq in Cousins, while other teams just see the next Elton Brand and Zach Randolph. (which isn't that bad of course)
let's be honest. Spurs are not in the situation of Cavs or some other teams that are desperately looking for at least ONE le. the chance to get a 5th le with this core in the next 2 seasons is pretty slim, no matter what move they do this summer. and none would ever look at this 5th le as the ultimate success. we all know the Duncan era will be over soon. if the FO manages to build the foundation for a new era for the next 10-15 years via a big move this summer, they should not hesitate to try.
Cousins is lazy the only reason he is so hyped is because he was plaing aginst smaller dudes 1 on 1 he will be a bust in the nba id take favors over cousins.
I guess none would like the idea of the Spurs going hard for Cousins. (unlike Favors)
but fact is, they scheduled an interview with him. (which his agent canceled)
so his name is in the game. for whatever it is worth. like it or not.
While I'm leery of losing a player that has meant so much to three of our les and another that seems so promising, you make excellent points as always, MB.
At the end of the day, all we can do is trust that the FO knows what they're doing. Fortunately, over the course of our good years, they have proven they do.
Oh yea and Cousins won't listen to coaches he got into numerous arguments with his coach at UK, so what do you think he's gonna do win pop yells at him.
If your concerns have are legitimate, don't you think they will be even more apparent to teams that are scouting him -- be they Spurs or otherwise?
I think Cousins is just a further look at top big men. If you could pay a significantly smaller price to take on the 4th pick(MIN Trading up to get #2), and Cousins is there, is that a better option?
I think I generally agre with David Thorpe on Favors vs Cousins: Cousins is the Superior talent, but I'd take Favors as I think the chances of Favors working hard and succeeding are better. But If I got access to Cousins for an Interview, and he seemed fine both in expressed at ude and in psychometric testing, and it seemed like he's be there at 4, Trading to get the 4th pick would seem like a decent option. With the Current core, Favors seems like a better fit as a different option as a Speciman, but If your building long term, Cousins Post play and efficiency as a future #1 option could be equally attractive. It's a balance.
Of course, this could all be just posturing, Our big man rotation for next year already seems like it will be pretty good(Assuming Tiago comes over)
it is. but I think IF such a move (trade for the #3 or #4 pick) can somehow be orchestrated, it will also involve parts of this current rotation. (either Splitter rights, or Blair. maybe even Dice if needed as a numbers filler)
Spurs have also been said to be interested in George and Henry. I wouldn't be surprised to see tons of Spurs rumors before the draft. If you can't hide what you want to do, it's smart to create as much smokescreen as you can to create confusion. Interviewing a player like Favors isn't a move that is costly but it surely create a lot of smoke.
maybe Henry and George are a smokescreen as well......
What if there's so much smoke that there isn't any fire?
I agree on the fact that a move for #3 probably involves Blair or another member of the non- Duncan big Rotation. Especially after Rod Thorn was the GM last year who talked about getting a Moose in the Paint(And Dejuan is the only guy who fits that Description from that draft). I could see them being interested in a trade with Blair as the centerpiece.
I guess you are saying by being so close to Robinson and Duncan over the past 20 years, they are able to recognize greatness but those two were consensus top picks the years they came out. I am not so sure that level of talent does not show itself prior to entering the league. If you are rolling the dice that someone will evolve to top 5 talent (which is what Big Dave and Tim were in their time), the odds are it's not going to happen.
In a round about way, what I am saying is the "can't miss" type of guys who surrounded with the right role players can get you some les, are already defined as can't miss by the time they enter the draft.
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