All-SpursTalk Awards (Take 2)

[Johnson]

do they have perspectives in Poland?

[Chieflion]

I need Blackjack here to explain. These 3 people voted would then round up the top 15. Is there something I am missing here? For your information, I haven't voted yet.

[Blackjack]

I need Blackjack here to explain. These 3 people voted would then round up the top 15. Is there something I am missing here? For your information, I haven't voted yet.

From the failed, original thread:

Just to be clear, there were 315 votes and a lot of great posters that had 4, 3, 1 or no votes. But the only way I could really get this thing done was to have a cut off point, which 5 seemed the best to do since there were 22 that received that many.

There were 16 posters that had at least 6 votes. Had there been 15, I could've just named the teams and been done with it -- this is the equivalent to All-NBA and not All-Star, so it's generally supposed to be decided on account of a smaller, respected pool; and there were plenty of quality posters that didn't receive a ballot, as I tried to only get a few of each group, click or whatever you want to call it, so I could get as fair a representation as possible.

To address your question more directly: Yes, these three will be placed on the Third Team. The poll was designed to give the ten posters with 5 or 6 votes an equal opportunity of making the team and preventing me from having to make an unfair decision as to who would make it; this is the best way I found to find a consensus and honor the votes cast upon nomination, as it was somewhat like All-NBA in that those votes were all done with SpursTalk's version of coaches, players and GMs. Their vote needed to carry weight, in my view.


To those that are wondering why I excluded myself:

I appreciate you thinking I shouldn't have excluded myself but it just wasn't fair -- the layer of y residue that was building counting my votes while I asked for people to give me their lists, was just too much for me. It's human nature. You ask someone for their list, you're immediately in the forefront of their mind, and even if you think I deserve to be there, I would've received a ridiculous disproportionate amount of votes that just wouldn't have looked or felt right. Had any decent poster been in my position they would've benefitted the same way by keeping their name in the running.

And to those that are offended or find this is some kind of bad taste:

This isn't to humiliate or embarrass people, just to acknowledge our respected brethren and their collective efforts to raise the bar; maybe even show some others where the bar is if they wish to aspire to.

As I mentioned in the OP, there's nothing demeaning about not making the top 15 or even getting a vote. Look at guys like Manu and Tony. They're in a league with a maximum of 450 players and they didn't receive a vote for one of the All-NBA Teams, IIRC. SpursTalk has 18,700-plus members and I only gave 15 spots. I'm seriously thinking about adding a Fourth and Fifth Team because it really makes more sense when you take those numbers into consideration.

If you guys are interested in that, let me know.

If not? It is what it is.

If you've got any more questions, feel free to ask.

[Chieflion]

One more thing, non-public vote is gay.

[HarlemHeat37]

Public voting would be cool IMO, but the butthurt would be extremely painful..

[Blackjack]

Ideally, it'd be a public poll. But, to be honest, I don't think you'd get as honest a poll if it were the case; some would feel pressured into voting for friends or those they'd want to curry favor with instead of who they honestly believe deserved the vote.

It six in one, a half-dozen in the other. But I did what I thought would give the truest result under an imperfect cir stance.

[ShoogarBear]

If Mav Fan makes the All SpursTalk team, there will be a matter-antimatter annihilation of the internets.

[Bender]

so this 3rd team is like runners up...?

seems like Solid and Lurker23 are 1st team, or 2nd at the lowest.

can the "winners" also move up the ranks, or will they be 3rd team for good?

(haven't voted yet)

[ShoogarBear]

I voted for Solid D and jaffies, but they really belong on the second team at worst.

Nice try, butt smoocher.

[HarlemHeat37]

I really hope 228 makes the 1st team, the reactions will be hilarious, as usual..

[Blackjack]

The winners here will be Third Team. Wait until you see the final results and if you still believe it's a injustice to those who made the Third Team, I'll be plenty willing to discuss about proceeding in another direction.

As of this moment, after taken all of these scenarios into consideration and crunching all the numbers, I believe I'm doing the fairest and most realistic thing in my power to do.

And to Shoogar, this is for the whole board and if they're deemed worthy by their peers, who am I to argue with what team they root for? All I've done is gathered the vote and tabulated. And as far as the lists I've received, it's definitely Spurs fan-heavy and they're the ones that got the likes of Findog nominated.

Yeah, that's right, I'm pullin' a Shaggy: "Wasn't me!"

[Chieflion]

I think Blackjack should reveal the people he asked to make a list. It would be fair for everyone in my opinion. It is like how we know some of the names of the media people who voted for the MVP etc.

[Blackjack]

I really hope 228 makes the 1st team, the reactions will be hilarious, as usual..

Three words: mookie, copy, paste.

[Chieflion]

Four words: mookie, copy, paste, articles.

Fixed.

[ShoogarBear]

Oh, I'm not arguing with Findog's qualifications. I'm just saying Mav Fans might be even more very mostest highly insufferablerer if he wins.

If mono made second team, though, I'm coming for ya.

[Blackjack]

[Blackjack]

Fixed.

i saaaaiiiiidddd

[Blackjack]

I think Blackjack should reveal the people he asked to make a list. It would be fair for everyone in my opinion. It is like how we know some of the names of the media people who voted for the MVP etc.

If you want to do an MVP, we can do that. I'm really trying to do this as close to All-NBA as possible and you only usually know the vote total in that case.

And I'm not the be-all end-all with all of this award stuff. RTB isn't even my thing. It was something Kori and timvp asked of us all a while back and I'm just doing my best to help the cause. The whole point of the stickied thread is to get everyone involved and contributing in the best way they see fit. If you want to do an MVP vote, or anyone would like to, fell free to do it to it. Ain't gonna hurt my feelings one bit.

[DPG21920]

Me losing to Mav Fan on my own damn board makes me spittin' mad. I posted like a dog.

[Blackjack]

Don't hang your head Tell 'Em. We've still gots your best events coming up; does Michael Phelps run the 100m?

[DPG21920]

It's ok. I want to be known as the Jeff Bridges of this board. The most underrated man on ST, the Dude, the man who just tells the jokes he is supposed to tell.

[baseline bum]

Nice try, butt smoocher.

And to think I had you and SpursDynasty on my fifth team ballot too.

[Blackjack]

In all seriousness, would you guys like a Fourth and Fifth Team? It's not out of appeasement or consolation, there just happens to be that many quality posters. And if I take the 7 who don't make the Third Team here and add the people that garnered 4 votes, that gives you a poll of 11 to decide Fourth and Fifth Team.

Again, there's a maximum of 450 players on an NBA roster and they choose 15 for 3 teams. SpursTalk has over 18,700 members. Would it really feel condescending or like a slap in the face to be awarded to one of those teams given the numbers?

It's ok. I want to be known as the Jeff Bridges of this board. The most underrated man on ST, the Dude, the man who just tells the jokes he is supposed to tell.

Preach, Duder.

[DPG21920]

I don't think it matters and this is probably good enough. Then you can do some funny awards if you want to add on.

[Blackjack]

We're definitely gonna do that. No question.

I've just gotta find out if we want a ROY, MVP or anything else before we get to that.