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[Blake]

Yeah and those reasons are dollars and nothing more.

I believe the highest seed to win the tournament was a 6 seed in 1985 (Villanova), so what would be the point in expanding the tournament from 65 to 96 or whatever they were thinking about? I can bet you it wasn't because they thought that the extra teams added had a chance to win the tournament, but that it meant more games and more advertising revenues and so on and so on.

right. It adds more revenue because people love playoffs and upsets, even if they don't win the whole thing.

By your arguments, there's little reason to have playoffs at all. Just have ranked team #1 play ranked team #2 in every sport.

[NFO]

right. It adds more revenue because people love playoffs and upsets, even if they don't win the whole thing..

Perhaps. But look at the TV ratings when George Mason went to the final four. One of the worst TV ratings for a final four in the past quarter century. So saying people love upsets/Cinderallas is a bit of a myth.

Adding more teams doesn't necessarily mean better playoffs and more upsets. No one seed has ever lost to 16 seed, but a 2 has lost to a 15 seed, which tells me 64 is probably a good # for the NCAA tournament. Adding more would water down the tournament and make the regular season even more meaningless, espceially in terms of viewership. So the point to add more teams/games to the tourney would be for more money, nothing more nothing less.

By your arguments, there's little reason to have playoffs at all. Just have ranked team #1 play ranked team #2 in every sport.

Bad assumption. I like the playoff system for the NCAA tournament the way it is. I would like to see a playoff system for football, without taking away from the best regular season in all of sports. I would be in favor of an 8 team playoff for football. Top team from each BCS conference and the next 2 highest ranked teams, or something to that effect. Never said I would rank #1 vs #2 in every sport.

[Blake]

Bad assumption. I like the playoff system for the NCAA tournament the way it is. I would like to see a playoff system for football, without taking away from the best regular season in all of sports. I would be in favor of an 8 team playoff for football. Top team from each BCS conference and the next 2 highest ranked teams, or something to that effect. Never said I would rank #1 vs #2 in every sport.

I'm not assuming your likes or dislikes at all.

I'm saying based on your #6 Villanova argument, there's little reason to have a playoff system.

Luckily the powers that be in most every sport but college football don't look at that argument and like to see playoff systems, just like you.

[NFO]

I'm saying based on your #6 Villanova argument, there's little reason to have a playoff system.

I just used that argument against expansion of the basketball tournament because fact is that most teams that are ranked above a #6 seed have little to no chance of winning the tournament. I am fine with the 64 teams now, I'm even okay with the 68 I guess, I just didn't want to see a 96 team field like they were talking about potentially going too just because they had an out in the contract this year and the only reason would be for more games and money.

Like I said earlier is that I would favor a college football playoff, as long as it didn't compromise the regular season. For example the Texas v Tech game a
couple of years ago was a very meaningful game. If there was a large playoff for football the importance of that game might not have been as big because both teams would still have made the playoffs. If there is a limited amount of teams (I think 8 would be good) then that Texas v Tech game is still very important but may or may not have been the end all be all of one of the teams seasons.

[Blake]

For example the Texas v Tech game a
couple of years ago was a very meaningful game. If there was a large playoff for football the importance of that game might not have been as big because both teams would still have made the playoffs. If there is a limited amount of teams (I think 8 would be good) then that Texas v Tech game is still very important but may or may not have been the end all be all of one of the teams seasons.

A last second throw to Crabtree turned out to shoot down UT's shot at being the NC game. OU lost early in the season to UT so they get rewarded.

It's bull . A playoff system would have been the most fair thing to do, and the importance of games would remain in tact for home field advantage sake and/or playoff positioning, just like in the pros.

[vander]

A last second throw to Crabtree turned out to shoot down UT's shot at being the NC game. OU lost early in the season to UT so they get rewarded.

It's bull . A playoff system would have been the most fair thing to do, and the importance of games would remain in tact for home field advantage sake and/or playoff positioning, just like in the pros.

you're basically just saying you want those games to have not mattered.

and the NFL is not a system to aspire to, not often does the best team win the SB. NFL needs to shrink it's playoff field. when teams can take 2-3 weeks off at the end of the season because they locked everything up, while elsewhere an 8-8 team gets into the playoffs, you have a serious problem.

[NFO]

the importance of games would remain in tact for home field advantage sake and/or playoff positioning, just like in the pros.

That is why the Colts who were 12-4 had to go on the road against the 8-8 Chargers 2 years ago. A lot of good it did them to win 4 more games, but I guess the pros have it all figured out like you say.

[Blake]

you're basically just saying you want those games to have not mattered.

huh? Tech beating UT absolutely would matter for playoff implications.

If there were playoffs, the importance of many otherwise meaningless games would rise a great deal.

Suddenly, the Tech/Baylor game after the OU loss becomes HUGE for Tech to stay in an 8 team playoff hunt.

and the NFL is not a system to aspire to, not often does the best team win the SB. NFL needs to shrink it's playoff field. when teams can take 2-3 weeks off at the end of the season because they locked everything up, while elsewhere an 8-8 team gets into the playoffs, you have a serious problem.

If you have a problem with taking the weeks off, then blame the length of the season. Blaming the playoff system is stupid.

A wildcard team having a chance to win it all is exactly what playoffs are about.

Obviously you don't like playoffs much. That's fine, but don't try to say that the current system is fair because it's absolutely not.

[Blake]

That is why the Colts who were 12-4 had to go on the road against the 8-8 Chargers 2 years ago. A lot of good it did them to win 4 more games, but I guess the pros have it all figured out like you say.

I didn't say it was a perfect system, but it would be tough to say that a division winner should have to travel for a wild card game, even with a mediocre 8-8 record.

Honestly, I'd be for using the good bowls already in place such as the Alamo, Holiday, Gator etc for playoff games to lead up to the big game in one of the big 4 bowls.

[vander]

huh? Tech beating UT absolutely would matter for playoff implications.

If there were playoffs, the importance of many otherwise meaningless games would rise a great deal.

Suddenly, the Tech/Baylor game after the OU loss becomes HUGE for Tech to stay in an 8 team playoff hunt.



If you have a problem with taking the weeks off, then blame the length of the season. Blaming the playoff system is stupid.

A wildcard team having a chance to win it all is exactly what playoffs are about.

Obviously you don't like playoffs much. That's fine, but don't try to say that the current system is fair because it's absolutely not.

college football has 120 teams of extremely varying means/budgets, yet it still manages to crown the right team more often than the NFL which has only 32 teams of pretty much equal budgets.

CFB FTW!
Meaningful regular seasons FTW!
God, if only the Chargers had won the SB on their 8-8 season, maybe some changes would have been made

[Blake]

college football has 120 teams of extremely varying means/budgets, yet it still manages to crown the right team more often than the NFL which has only 32 teams of pretty much equal budgets.

huh? in the history of Super Bowls, which team was wrongfully crowned the champ?

I can give you a number of teams that have gotten screwed out of a shot at the le in college football, including Boise St.

and honestly, 120 teams in the FBS is a joke. Midlevel teams that are usually ranked 30-120 will never ever have a chance to win it all in the current system.

God, if only the Chargers had won the SB on their 8-8 season, maybe some changes would have been made

The Giants won it all as a #5 seed 10-6 wild card, beating #4 Tampa Bay, #1 Dallas and #2 Green Bay all on the road before beating undefeated New England in the SB.

Did the NFL not crown the right team here?

[lebomb]

huh? in the history of Super Bowls, which team was wrongfully crowned the champ?

I can give you a number of teams that have gotten screwed out of a shot at the le in college football, including Boise St.

and honestly, 120 teams in the FBS is a joke. Midlevel teams that are usually ranked 30-120 will never ever have a chance to win it all in the current system.



The Giants won it all as a #5 seed 10-6 wild card, beating #4 Tampa Bay, #1 Dallas and #2 Green Bay all on the road before beating undefeated New England in the SB.

Did the NFL not crown the right team here?

WOW................ I actually agree completely with Blake for once. WTF???

College football is the only bull system there is. Not one person can name a single other sport that has a champ decided on popularity, and not a playoff system. Please name one other sport. *waiting*

[NFO]

I didn't say it was a perfect system, but it would be tough to say that a division winner should have to travel for a wild card game, even with a mediocre 8-8 record.

I think that year was the exception not the rule, but I think even the NFL should change there playoff format because a team that played a tougher schedule and won 4 more games than one team having to play on the road is kind of unfair to the team that won the 4 extra games.

Honestly, I'd be for using the good bowls already in place such as the Alamo, Holiday, Gator etc for playoff games to lead up to the big game in one of the big 4 bowls.

I like that theory too for regions, but I think they may be asking a lot of the fans to go to X amount of neutral games for playoffs. I think if there ever is a playoff at the Div I level that will would be a similar format to those in the lower divisions of football and still use the bowls for the meaningless games for other teams.

[Blake]

I like that theory too for regions, but I think they may be asking a lot of the fans to go to X amount of neutral games for playoffs. I think if there ever is a playoff at the Div I level that will would be a similar format to those in the lower divisions of football and still use the bowls for the meaningless games for other teams.

The travel is definitely the biggest obstacle, imo.

Getting rid of the worthless conference championship games would help cancel out one of the playoff road trips for Big 12 or SEC teams....

[vander]

huh? in the history of Super Bowls, which team was wrongfully crowned the champ?

I can give you a number of teams that have gotten screwed out of a shot at the le in college football, including Boise St.

and honestly, 120 teams in the FBS is a joke. Midlevel teams that are usually ranked 30-120 will never ever have a chance to win it all in the current system.

this is hardly true, but even if it was, it wouldn't be the fault of the BCS, the BCS put a BSU team with one of the easiest schedules in all of college football at like #6 if I remember correctly. if it weren't for so many other great undefeated teams this year, BSU might have gotten there, and it would have been a massacre, BSU wouldn't have stood a chance against any of the other top teams, because BSU wasn't as good as thier BCS ranking. in a tournament of say 8 teams, BSU and TCU would both have lost their first round game, the BCS is kinder to midlevel teams than a tournament would be.

The Giants won it all as a #5 seed 10-6 wild card, beating #4 Tampa Bay, #1 Dallas and #2 Green Bay all on the road before beating undefeated New England in the SB.

Did the NFL not crown the right team here?

absolutely, everybody capable of critical thought knows NE was the better team and would have beaten the Giants 4 out of 5 times, or in a series, or whatever. Wild Card teams in the Super Bowl is a joke, a disgrace.

[NFO]

Wild Card teams in the Super Bowl is a joke, a disgrace.

How so. Those wild card teams have to win 3 road games. If it is such a joke/disgrace then the higher seeds should have done something about it, like beat the team it was supposed to beat.

[samikeyp]

how so. Those wild card teams have to win 3 road games. If it is such a joke/disgrace then the higher seeds should have done something about it, like beat the team it was supposed to beat.

+1

[vander]

How so. Those wild card teams have to win 3 road games. If it is such a joke/disgrace then the higher seeds should have done something about it, like beat the team it was supposed to beat.

"any given sunday" a game can be decided on one big fluke play, an average team can suddenly play the game of their life, the refs can blow a game... every week in the NFL, an obviously lesser team beats a better team, that's the nature of football and that's why the regular season needs to play a greater role, reward the teams that play well for 4 months, not just 3 straight weeks.

the way it is now is a joke, there would be no substantial difference if they cut the regular season to 8 games, the 4-6 deserving teams would still get in, and 6-8 undeserving teams as well.

what they ought to do is expand the regular season to 18 or 20 games, and cut the playoffs to 8 teams, maybe even 6. then teams would actually be fighting for their lives all season long, and the bad teams would be out of the race quickly, which would make for much more active trade deadlines, like it is in baseball.

also get rid of the pre-season

[NFO]

"any given sunday" a game can be decided on one big fluke play, an average team can suddenly play the game of their life, the refs can blow a game... every week in the NFL, an obviously lesser team beats a better team, that's the nature of football and that's why the regular season needs to play a greater role, reward the teams that play well for 4 months, not just 3 straight weeks.

So if a wild card team wins three road games and the Super Bowl you are going to blame that on "one big fluke play, an average team can suddenly play the game of their life, the refs can blow a game." So what if a wild card team wins the Super Bowl. The NFL is set up to help the top seeds make the Super Bowl with the re-seeding after each round, so if a wild card team makes the Super Bowl and wins I have no problem with it.

the way it is now is a joke, there would be no substantial difference if they cut the regular season to 8 games, the 4-6 deserving teams would still get in, and 6-8 undeserving teams as well.

If you look at the turnover between teams in the playoffs in the NFL it is over 50% from year to year in the past 5 years. The NFL is a league of parody so there is a compe ive balance. Changing the games played would not likely make a huge difference in the results from year to year. Besides no way is the money making machine going to give up extra games. They might expand the season but the NFL is not going to cut games.

what they ought to do is expand the regular season to 18 or 20 games, and cut the playoffs to 8 teams, maybe even 6. then teams would actually be fighting for their lives all season long, and the bad teams would be out of the race quickly, which would make for much more active trade deadlines, like it is in baseball.

also get rid of the pre-season

[Blake]

this is hardly true, but even if it was, it wouldn't be the fault of the BCS, the BCS put a BSU team with one of the easiest schedules in all of college football at like #6 if I remember correctly. if it weren't for so many other great undefeated teams this year, BSU might have gotten there, and it would have been a massacre, BSU wouldn't have stood a chance against any of the other top teams, because BSU wasn't as good as thier BCS ranking. in a tournament of say 8 teams, BSU and TCU would both have lost their first round game, the BCS is kinder to midlevel teams than a tournament would be.

absolutely, everybody capable of critical thought knows NE was the better team and would have beaten the Giants 4 out of 5 times, or in a series, or whatever. Wild Card teams in the Super Bowl is a joke, a disgrace.

I usually don't like to heckle people for their opinions, but that's just horrible.

Saying BSU wouldnt stand a chance when Utah went in and beat Alabama in the Sugar just a year and a half ago is just stupid.

So is saying wild card teams being in the Super Bowl is a joke.

[vander]

frankly,

the previous 2 posts display a complete lack of understanding of the nature of football, and how easy it is for a mediocre team to get hot and win a few games in a row, and how hard it is to consistently win, week in and week out.

watch a few more seasons of pro and college ball, you might start to catch on...

[MajorMike]

You know the way for the conferences to kill the BCS?

P10 and B12 make the B16.
SEC robs the ACC and makes a 16 team SEC.

The two conferences sign a multi billion dollar TV deal for the SEC champ to meet the B16 champ in a new Bowl Jan 1 (much like the Rose has an outside deal). No way in they wouldn't be declared the MNC winner by the AP.

That's your ballgame; no one is going to give a flying poo who won the ACC or Big Easy or B10/1/whatever they end up being. BCS dies and the other confs band together to force a playoff, which they just got left out of.

[NFO]

You know the way for the conferences to kill the BCS?

P10 and B12 make the B16.
SEC robs the ACC and makes a 16 team SEC.

The two conferences sign a multi billion dollar TV deal for the SEC champ to meet the B16 champ in a new Bowl Jan 1 (much like the Rose has an outside deal). No way in they wouldn't be declared the MNC winner by the AP.

That's your ballgame; no one is going to give a flying poo who won the ACC or Big Easy or B10/1/whatever they end up being. BCS dies and the other confs band together to force a playoff, which they just got left out of.

I'll be watching out my window for a pig to fly by.

[Blake]

frankly,

the previous 2 posts display a complete lack of understanding of the nature of football, and how easy it is for a mediocre team to get hot and win a few games in a row, and how hard it is to consistently win, week in and week out.

watch a few more seasons of pro and college ball, you might start to catch on...

frankly, this post is not any kind of argument for or against playoffs. All you did was describe sports in general.

You are the first person I have ever heard anywhere say that the Giants winning the Super Bowl was a joke because they were a wild card team.

That's just funny.

[Blake]

That's your ballgame; no one is going to give a flying poo who won the ACC or Big Easy or B10/1/whatever they end up being. BCS dies and the other confs band together to force a playoff, which they just got left out of.

I'll be watching out my window for a pig to fly by.

or flying poo