I realize that, but there were also many games where he got 20-30 min and ended up with 10-12 pts. Those aren't even bad numbers, i'm only saying that in 2009-2010 he wasn't ready to be a 17 pt./game guy. There are some in here trying to say that he blows Hill out of the water. The stats don't show that. He scores more than Hill, but he also shoots more than Hill. Hill, dragic and Roddy have some very similar stats.
Breaking down the defense, penetrating, and scoring in the paint isn't luck. If he were just jacking up a bunch of 3's it'd be different.im not comparing just saying its one lucky game that the mavs loss
I can't see why some Spurs fans will go ahead and easily admit that Roddy is miles ahead of Hill while some just say he's lucky. O yea.... some Spurs fans ONLY watch the spurs. Again... you obviously haven't seen him play. At least take the time to watch him if your going to comment.
the stats you posted aren't all that similar. roddy was scoring 5 more points per 36 minutes at a much higher %, 52%, and he's a guard!! not to take anything away from hill or dragic but roddy is going to be special. all year i said that roddy was our 3rd best player, and had he been given starter minutes i could easily see him scoring 17ppg. every time the man was given a chance, even if it was just a few minutes, whenever he was called upon he could come into the game totally not warmed up and just flat out score points in bunches.
Hill and Dragic don't have 50/40/80 (he doesn't shoot more). The VAST majority of games where he got 20 plus minutes he scored well into the teens.
He might be our starting 2 next year according to Carlisle and Cuban. If he does he'll be getting 30ish mpg and about 20 ppg.... guarantee it. I have never had this much confidence in a rookie. You had opposing players say things like "he's the future for that team" after games (Brandon Jennings and others). I'll take their word for it.
yup... and he was in his rookie season fresh out of Guadalupe
I had the Spurs, Suns, Mavs, Lakers, Celtics and Cavs on LP Broadband. I actually saw quite a bit of Roddy(whenever he got decent minutes). I've been saying for awhile that the kid is amazing...i can dig up those quotes if you'd like. I'm a big fan of the guy, there's no doubt about it. I honestly think he'll be a better scorer and overall player than Hill and Dragic, but Mav fan is relying solely on his potential and saying that he's separated himself from the rest of the pack. This isn't true.
He had 13 total games with 20+ minutes played. 7 out of those 13 he had no more than 13 points scored. If there's one thing we can agree on, it's that the guy obviously needs more minutes.
As I said, you've been fairly reasonable here. Perhaps he hasn't separated himself from the pack YET, but barring any unfortunate injuries or anything like that.... I doubt it will take him much longer.
and that's the only thing holding him back, that re coach of ours. honestly what's the point of simply refusing to play your 2nd or 3rd best player?
Not because he simply plays alongside them, but because he is mostly successful when simply taking open shots that they provide for him. When he tries to be the star, he sucks. Roddy has shown that he can play like the star, do all the creating, and succeed.
dallasbasketball.com...... check out their morning donuts with a headline of Dirk, it's bound to be mentioned. Or listen to 103.3 espn (espn Dallas).
Here's a good link. Should explain the story....(in generalities anyway). Trust me, no one's concerned about it.
http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/05...s-options.html
i wasn't referring to his shot selection i was referring that he finally had a solid game against the spurs becuase he was nothing even in the regular season and rick carlisle even let him play sure I seen him play and im not saying he sucks but he is not a better defense player than george hill but defintley offense becuase he has quickness thats all he has... thinking that roddy is going to be a star in the league is dumb scoring 40 points against the warriors doesnt mean hes a going to be a star how did he fare against the lakers or even celtics teams with size I think scoring on a a 34 year old tim duncan who had playing close to 40 minutes a game is really impressiveparker and ginobili were tearing up the mavs in the paint are we bragging about that? do we see them as roddy celing is probably going to be aaron brooks but saying that roddy is scorer thats all
and is that comfirmed or speculation that you read?
i wasn't referring to his shot selection i was referring that he finally had a solid game against the spurs becuase he was nothing even in the regular season and rick carlisle even let him play sure I seen him play and im not saying he sucks but he is not a better defense player than george hill but defintley offense becuase he has quickness thats all he has... thinking that roddy is going to be a star in the league is dumb scoring 40 points against the warriors doesnt mean hes a going to be a star how did he fare against the lakers or even celtics teams with size I think scoring on a a 34 year old tim duncan who had playing close to 40 minutes a game is really impressive
This is why I say you haven't seen him. Roddy never got over 7 minutes against the Spurs in the regular season except once. That one time is put on youtube..... 17 minutes, 8 pts, 50% shooting.
Every other spurs fan that has agreed with me has either watched him during the season or simply went to youtube to see for themselves. Your pontificating out of your ass. The likes of Reggie Miller doesn't nickname him "baby flash" without being confident in the kids future. Brandon Jennings doesn't say "that dude is the future for their franchise" without being thoroughly impressed. I could go on and on about how many notable individuals in the NBA who have actually seen him play comment on how special he'll be in the league. Players ahead of him in the rotation on the the Mavericks spoke out to the media saying he needs to play.... that NEVER happens in the NBA (vets volunteering to give up playing time for a rookie). Until you go watch him play, you won't understand.
"The Dallas Mavericks expect Dirk Nowitzki to opt out of the final year of his contract, a source said Saturday, because it will allow the face of the franchise to work with the team on the structure of a new four-year deal."
Sounds like the head dallas mavericks sports writer (eddie sefko) said a SOURCE told him that they were working on a new 4 year deal for Dirks $ security and the future health of the team.
Every time I turn on the radio or read something regarding Dirk, the writer says there's virtually no chance of him leaving. Nothing's changed, Dirk has always intended to stay a Maverick. Him opting out is about getting a larger contract before the new CBA rules restrict player salaries and about giving the Mavs flexebility. It can't be confirmed until it happens, but EVERYONE (those who have access to "sources".. i.e Dirk and whoever represents him) is saying that Dirk's staying and committed to helping the Mavs. So... it's about as confirmed as it gets without an actual contract signed.
You don't have to believe it if you don't want, but trust me. There's not a chance Dirks going anywhere.
its stupid to compare two different players with two different kinds of playing styles unless your trying to be hypocritical like every mavs fan on this board trying to prove that one player on the mavs is better than another on the spurs..george hill game is a spot shooter and a guy who can shoot off pick and rolls while beaubous is a slasher and can take it in the paint(im reffering what there best at not what there able too do something your not getting)
They play the same position as a combo guard, so whatever. I'll quote one of your fellow spurs fans though
"Roddy>>>>>>>>>Hill"
How good is Beaubois? Let's just say, if Carlisle unleashed French Allah, the Mavs are up 3-2 on the Lakers and are playing for a Finals berth tommorow night.
And no, I'm not exaggerating.
No, you're just an idiot.
This is a consensus opinion among Mavs fans and all fans who know what Beaubois brings to the table.
This is the equivalent of the Lakers not using Odom, the Suns not using Richardson, the Spurs not using Hill.
Mavs matchup excellently versus the Lakers... especially since Glassnum turns into utter in the playoffs. They would have few matchup advantages.
Beaubois is the best French player in the NBA.
He will shine for the Cavs next year.
Ghazi, according to you, the Mavs have never had a season (since they got Dirk) that they weren't capable of winning a championship. This season is just like any other where your delusional homerism is making up excuses for why they lost.
I didn't say the Mavs could win it all, I just said they could win the West, which is certainly feasible in a hypothetical world where French Allah was unleashed.
The 3 best teams are in the East... and 1-8 in the West weren't separated by much. Little things like the best rookie in the class being played, or not played... can be the difference between 1st round exit and Finals runner up.
Beaubois
In Ghazi's hypothetical world the Mavs have won 8 straight championships.
mogrovejo viewing.
mogro I need some backup!
Two good players, but I'll take Beaubois superior upside.
Hill is a good defender and a very versatile scorer, but Beaubois has the tools to be an elite defender and a more prolific scorer. I also think Beaubois will be the better playmaker, he already makes better reads of the pick'n'roll.
I think Hill can be an excellent role-player, but Beaubois can be more than that.
Not saying anything about player comparisons but stretch's arguments are terrible. When tp went out w injury, hill did a lot more than stand around and shoot wide open shots. Same in the playoffs vs the mavs.
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