espn insider article - draft top athletes

[spectator]

can anyone post the info?

anything jumping out of the ordinary around the 20th pick?

[Ginobili2Duncan]

By Chad Ford
ESPN.com
Archive
While the height and weight measurements from the NBA pre-draft camp are interesting and relevant, NBA GMs and scouts also spend a lot of time dissecting the results of the NBA physical combine.
Everyone takes these with a grain of salt. Every year the quote "best athlete in the draft" does NOT turn into the best player in the draft. Teams do take these reports seriously. This is the first objective testing that we have on these guys and sometimes our eyes do deceive us.
What are the drills?
Players are asked to bench-press 185 pounds as many times as they can, test their vertical jump two ways (no step and maximum) and run several drills to measure speed and lateral quickness.
For the seventh straight year Insider has obtained this confidential report from a league source.
The NBA no longer creates a composite score to rank the top athletes in the draft. So we'll break it down for you by category.
Mississippi's Terrico White recorded the biggest maximum vertical with a whopping 40 inches. Only two other players jumped 38 or more inches in the maximum vertical jump: John Wall (39) and Armon Johnson (38.5). Solomon Alabi (26 inches) had the worst max vert in the camp.
Notre Dame's Luke Harangody tested as the strongest athlete in the camp. Harangody bench-pressed a 185 pound bar 23 times. Derrick Caracter and Trevor Booker got the bar up 22 times. Gani Lawal did 20 reps. Avery Bradley and Charles Garcia got the bar up only two times. Jarvis Varnado could manage only three reps.

In the lane agility testing, Kentucky's John Wall had the best score, finishing the drill in 10.8 seconds. Lazar Hayward, Dominique Jones and Damion James all finished under 10.9 seconds. Keith Gallon finished dead last in a terrible 13.4 seconds.


In the three-quarter-court sprints, Clemson's Trevor Booker led the way with a blinding 3.1-second run. John Wall, Wesley Johnson and Avery Bradley all tied for second at 3.1 seconds. Gallon was last again, at 3.7 seconds.



Here's a look at how the top players in the draft performed in every category:


NBA DRAFT COMBINE MEASUREMENTS

PlayerNo step vert
Max vert
Bench press (185 lbs)Lane agility 3/4 court sprint
reach Solomon Alabi22.526.01013.23.7Cole Aldrich23.028.01011.483.35Al-Farouq Aminu27.033.51311.33.3James Anderson30.035.51411.93.2Luke Babbitt29.537.51511.03.4Eric BledsoeNANA9NANATrevor Booker31.036.02211.23.1Craig Brackins26.035.0611.73.4Avery Bradley31.537.5211.53.1Derrick Caracter25.030.52212.83.6Sherron Collins27.533.0NA12.33.2DeMarcus Cousins23.527.5NA11.43.5Jordan Crawford31.534.5711.03.4Ed Davis31.036.0NA11.73.2Devin Ebanks23.532.0611.73.4Derrick Favors31.535.51411.73.3Keith Gallon23.528.51413.43.7Charles Garcia24.530.5211.73.2Paul GeorgeNANA4NANALuke Harangody24.028.52311.83.4Manny HarrisNANA11NANALazar Hayward31.036.01510.93.3Gordon Hayward30.534.510 11.7 3.2 Xavier Henry28.5 36.5 8 11.1 3.2 Darington Hobson 29.0 34.0 NA 11.7 3.3 Damion James 29.0 33.0 13 10.9 3.2 Armon Johnson 31.5 38.5 18 11.3 3.2 Wesley Johnson 32.0 37.0 16 11.4 3.1 Dominique Jones 26.0 32.5 19 10.9 3.3 Jerome Jordan NA NA NA NA NA Sylven Landesberg 28.0 32.0 8 11.6 3.4 Gani Lawal 27.0 31.5 20 11.6 3.2 Greg Monroe 25.0 29.0 15 12.1 3.4 Daniel Orton 24.0 30.5 13 12.3 3.4 Artsiom Parakhouski 25.5 26.516 12.1 3.3 Patrick Patterson 28.5 33.5 17 11.1 3.3 Dexter PittmanNA NA NA NA NA Andy Rautins23.5 30.5 8 11.3 3.5 Ryan Richards25.0 28.5 4 11.3 3.4Stanley Robinson NA 37.5 6 11.7 3.2 Larry Sanders 25.5 28.0 7 12.5 3.3 Jon Scheyer NA NA NA NA NA Lance Stephenson 27.0 33.0 10 11.4 3.4 Mikhail Torrance 23.0 32.0 8 11.4 3.2 Evan Turner 27.5 34.5 9 11.0 3.3 Ekpe Udoh 31.0 33.5 10 11.2 3.3 Jarvis Varnado 29.5 32.5 3 11.6 3.4 Greivis Vasquez NA NA NA NA NA John Wall 30.0 39.0 NA 10.8 3.1 Willie Warren23.0 31.5 10 11.2 3.5 Terrico White 31.0 40.0 10 11.4 3.2 Hassan Whiteside 27.0 31.5 12 11.8 3.5




Analysis


Among the top players in the draft, the big winner here is John Wall, who tested off the charts in just about every category but the lane agility drill. We've been arguing that he's the best athlete in the draft and it's hard to argue with the scores he put up here. A 39-inch vertical, a 10.8-second lane agility drill and a 3.1-second three-quarter-court sprint are just terrific. If the NBA had kept a composite score, Wall would've won. His numbers are very close to the player he's compared to the most, Derrick Rose. Rose tested with a 40-inch max vertical, a 3.05-second sprint and a much worse 11.69-second score on the lane agility drill.
Evan Turner's numbers were a bit more pedestrian. He ended up with a 34.5-inch max vertical, an 11.1-second lane agility drill and a 3.3-second three-quarter-court sprint. Not exactly blazing, but not too shabby either. As far as guards go, his numbers are very close to John Salmons' in 2002 and Daequan Cook's in 2007.
Derrick Favors' numbers are also good. He ended up with a 35.5-inch max vertical, ran the three-quarter-court sprint in 3.25 seconds, benched the 185-pound bar 14 times and ran the lane agility drill in 11.7 seconds. Those numbers are just slightly lower than those of Dwight Howard (same vert) and slightly above those of Al Horford and Amare Stoudemire.
Wesley Johnson came out looking good as well. He had a 37-inch vertical, ran a blazing 3.1-second three-quarter-court sprint and benched the bar a whopping 16 times. His numbers are pretty close to the Sixers' Thaddeus Young.
Luke Babbitt was really helped here. A 37.5-inch vertical, a 3.2-second sprint and an impressive 10.98 lane agility score blew away a few GMs I spoke with. The thinking was that he had poor lateral quickness. This measurement disputes that. We've had him No. 12 on our Mock Draft for two straight weeks. We might have him too low.
Babbitt's teammate Armon Johnson also did well. The 38.5-inch vert was one of the best in the camp. So was his 3.2-second sprint. And the guy benched the bar an amazing 18 times. Pretty good for a point guard. His lateral quickness numbers weren't great, but you have to believe these numbers will help him a little.
Avery Bradley also fared well, with a 37.5-inch vertical and a 3.1-second sprint score. Bradley's numbers are very close to those of both Russell Westbrook and George Hill. Bradley and Hill both had 37.5-inch verts. Westbrook's vert was an inch lower. Westbrook and Hill were slightly faster in the sprint. Westbrook was off the charts on the lateral quickness, while Bradley was average and Hill wasn't so good.
And don't forget Clemson's Trevor Booker. For a big man, he posted, across the board, the best scores in the camp. The Jason Maxiell comparisons just won't go away.
Five top players really took a hit in the testing.
Al-Farouq Aminu gets the rep as an off-the-charts athlete, but he didn't really show it here. His 33.5-inch vertical was disappointing and so were his speed numbers.
DeMarcus Cousins really struggled in all of the athletic drills. He's huge (he measured a 7-foot-6 wingspan) but NBA teams can't be thrilled with his numbers at the camp. Cousins had just a 27.5-inch vertical and didn't blow anyone away in either of the speed drills. If it's any consolation, Brook Lopez tested as the worst athlete in the 2008 draft and he did just fine.
This wasn't a great testing ground for centers. Cole Aldrich, Greg Monroe, Daniel Orton and, shockingly, Hassan Whiteside didn't do so well, either.
Aldrich managed to jump just 28 inches. Monroe got to 29, Orton to 30.5 and Whiteside to just 31.5 inches. Aldrich was the best in the speed drills. Monroe and Orton were slaughtered in the agility test, posting poor scores of 12.1 seconds and 12.3 seconds, respectively.
Larry Sanders didn't help himself either with a 28-inch max vert. Tiny Gallon reached 28.5 inches.
Of all the big men, Solomon Alabi was hit the hardest. But there's a caveat with Alabi: He's coming off a recent ankle injury and was just cleared to play right before the draft combine. That likely contributed to his poor scores.
Among the guards, Willie Warren and Sherron Collins didn't fare particularly well. Warren posted a weak 31.5-inch vertical (he's also coming off an injury) and Collins notched just a 12.78-second lane agility score. Ouch.

[TimDunkem]

I wonder if Blackjack could complete more reps than Luke Harangody.

[8FOR!3]

lol at me being stronger than Avery Bradley. I outweigh him by 5 pounds and am about an inch or so taller. And Charles Garcia and Jarvis Varnado are HUGE compared to me. Wow. I guess I always figured those guys were stronger than they are just because they're at the professional athlete level.

[Ginobili2Duncan]

By Chad Ford
ESPN Insider
Archive
Every year, one of the most interesting aspects of the predraft camp is the list detailing the official height and weight of each player.


Here's a look at how the top players in the draft measured up:


The NBA spends more time scrutinizing things like wingspan and standing reach than they do actual heights. How big a player is with his hands above his head and with his arms outstretched means much more on the basketball floor than a static height.


• For starters, here's the John Wall-Evan Turner tale of the tape. While Turner is taller and has a longer standing reach, Wall actually has him beat on wingspan. Turner's wingspan is 6-foot-8. Wall's is 6-9 ... very impressive for a point guard.


• A number of other top prospects shined in the measurements. Hassan Whiteside sported the largest wingspan in the camp at a ridiculous 7-7. His standing reach of 9-5 tied for tops at the camp.


• DeMarcus Cousins, Solomon Alabi, Jerome Jordan, Dexter Pittman and Larry Sanders also recorded terrific wingspans of 7-5 or higher.


• A few other players, including Cole Aldrich, Derrick Favors, Tiny Gallon, Ekpe Udoh and Daniel Orton, had wingspans of 7-4 or 7-5. In short, when you sort through the data, this is one of the longest group of draft prospects we've ever seen.


• Alabi, Jordan, Cousins and Whiteside all had amazing 9-5 standing reaches as well. Aldrich had an impressive 9-3½ standing reach and several players, including Favors, Orton and Ryan Richards, sported standing reaches over 9-2.


•As far as guards go, Dominique Jones, Sylven Landesberg and Wall all sported 6-9 wingspans.


• Sherron Collins was the only player in the camp to measure less than 6 feet tall. He was 5-10 in socks.


• A few players disappointed with their conditioning. Pittman had a whopping 20.8 percent body fat. Cousins wasn't too far behind at 16.4 percent. Tiny Gallon hit 15.1 percent and Orton measured in at 13.8 percent.


• Terrico White and Manny Harris had the lowest body fat of the camp at 3.7 and 3.8 percent, respectively

[sexinthatsx]

He's asking about prospective players for the Spurs buddy, this is pretty irrelevant information you're posting. In terms of draft picks around the 20th pick, take a look at quincy pondexter, paul george, and luke babbit. Paul and Quincy I think can be a great fit for the spurs system, while Luke has the ability to stretch the floor better. Overall, I would pick quincy pondexter though.

[Ginobili2Duncan]

Paul George6-7.756-8.752146-11.258-115.0

Paul George H/wo shoes 6-7.75, Ht w/ shoes 6-8.75, Weight 214, Wingspan 6-11.25, Standing Reach 8-11, Body Fat 5.0

Babbit: Ht w/0 shoes 6-7.5, Ht w/ shoes 6-8.75, Weight 218, Wingspan 6-11.25,Standing Reach 8-8.5, Body Fat 5.6

Do you want a scouting report too?

[Russ]

Luke Babbitt was really helped here. A 37.5-inch vertical, a 3.2-second sprint and an impressive 10.98 lane agility score blew away a few GMs I spoke with. The thinking was that he had poor lateral quickness. This measurement disputes that. We've had him No. 12 on our Mock Draft for two straight weeks. We might have him too low.

I was looking at Babbit's combine numbers on NBADraft.net the other day. His quickness and leaping stats were off the charts.

His reputation up until then (of course) was that of a good shooter with nice "intangibles" and a "high basketball IQ."

Poor kid -- if he could change his pigmentation, he might go in the top 5.