Spurs going same route as 80s Celtics?

[Solid D]

Richard Jefferson was the Spurs' Len Bias...in a manner of speaking.

Lol at the comparison of KC Jones and Pop. The only close comparison is that one was an NBA player known for his defense and the other is an NBA legendary coach known for his defensive philosophy.

[Solid D]

'Just a couple of other thoughts about the direction or route the Spurs are taking. It's difficult to expect a franchise to continue to flourish year after year. There are eventually going to be valleys and the NBA system works against extended success. The Spurs have made the playoffs 19 times out of the past 20 seasons. It's core is getting older so unless they replace it's oldest stars with real talent, there will be a fall-off. The Spurs did a major FAIL when they did not bring in Luis Scola. They made up for it a bit by sticking their glove up in the air, closing their eyes and having the ball (DeJuan Blair) land in their glove. They were smarter than what everyone here gave them credit for in drafting George Hill. Now they have to find a true young Big. If they fail to do so, the Spurs will continue to slide farther toward the fringe. Whether it's Splitter, or a trade for a chance at another good bigman, the Spurs will need to be both smart and fortunate.

It's been a good ride. It won't be an easy off-season and depending on decisions made, the Spurs could very easily be headed for a few seasons of famine.

[ChuckD]

I don;t know why people get their panties in a wad about rebuilding in a couple of years. It's the natural cycle of the NBA. You build, you attain a level of success and ride it as far as you can, then you crater and re-build. As Solid D said, we've had a run of 19 playoffs in 20 years. Top that off with 10 years or so of championship contender status s ched around 4 LoBs, and it sucks much less to be looking at rebuilding in our position than say Dallas or Phoenix, who are both staring down the same time frame for retooling.

[ShoogarBear]

Richard Jefferson was the Spurs' Len Bias...in a manner of speaking.

Oh, man. Harsh.

I would argue that the Spurs dealing Scola was more like the Celtics losing Bias.

If the Spur had kept Scola, it would have kept some wear and tear off Duncan. The Spurs also then could have afforded to keep around and make better use of a nonscoring interior defender like Kurt Thomas or Ratliff for 10-15 MPG. It probably cost them another le.

Only down side is I doubt the Spurs would have drafted Blair if they had Scola.

[ShoogarBear]

I don;t know why people get their panties in a wad about rebuilding in a couple of years. It's the natural cycle of the NBA. You build, you attain a level of success and ride it as far as you can, then you crater and re-build. As Solid D said, we've had a run of 19 playoffs in 20 years. Top that off with 10 years or so of championship contender status s ched around 4 LoBs, and it sucks much less to be looking at rebuilding in our position than say Dallas or Phoenix, who are both staring down the same time frame for retooling.

What you mean we, NY boy.

Problem is, in the NBA, there isn't really a natural cycle unless you're the Lakers. More than any other sport, les are more concentrated among a select few. The only teams that you could argue won a le, had some down time, then came back to win another were the Pistons and the Sixers. The Celtics hit rock bottom for almost 20 years.

Based on NBA history, there's a good chance that once Duncan goes, a generation may pass before you see the Spurs in the Finals again.

[ChuckD]

What you mean we, NY boy.

Problem is, in the NBA, there isn't really a natural cycle unless you're the Lakers. More than any other sport, les are more concentrated among a select few. The only teams that you could argue won a le, had some down time, then came back to win another were the Pistons and the Sixers. The Celtics hit rock bottom for almost 20 years.

Based on NBA history, there's a good chance that once Duncan goes, a generation may pass before you see the Spurs in the Finals again.

Oh, I'm not saying that it'll be 3-4 down years, then the Finals for SA. I'm NOT one of the ones in favor of blowing things up now. I'm just saying that at some point, you have to get much worse before you get better again. That IS an NBA cycle. You do get to a point where your current cycle is over, whatever the level of success you've reached.

The important thing to realize is that if you "cheat" (sign lukewarm FAs for MAX money) on the other side, you can make your job a lot harder. The best example of a rebuild in recent times is SEA/OKC. They were in the WCSFs against the Spurs in 2005, and giving the Lakers everything they could handle in 2010 with only one player common to the two teams: Nick Collison. They offloaded some minor stars like Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis that were much more supporting players than franchise players in return for draft picks, and crashed hard, earning good picks for themselves. They accepted their 3-4 years of SUCK to build from the bottom with home grown pieces.

[Blackjack]

The anatomy of a Fabbs fail:

Incase you missed it ST, Fabbs just applied some zygote jelly on the foreheads of EricB and FWD.

Truly a remarkable thread.

Just so you remember, this thread is all about how Fabbs sploaded on ST regulars.

These are things we know.

You do know that Fabbs completely ripped this notion from Simmons, right (as this was talked about more than a year ago)?

You will notice here how I responded to a Fabbs' fan or troll and not Fabbs himself. I really didn't say anything all that outlandish, just that Fabbs' OP was regurgitated.

There's really nothing wrong with that, I was just having a hard time finding the brilliance Ignignokt found or the means to credit Fabbs with bringing anything new or insightful to the table.

Let me make this clear: I have no problem with Fabbs comparing the Spurs to the Celtics of yesteryear.

spare us.
Anyone on this board for any length of time knows I've been posting about Popzit and the Spurs Championships -or not- since long before the Simmons article.

If anything as has been posted by many, the *jounalists* lurk around ST and rip us off.

Now this was just rich.

First off, this is just trademark, classic, Fabbs right here. The immaturity towards Pop is really something to behold. The only thing greater than it is the obvious insecurity he's masking with his cheap-shot insults of the coach's appearance; maybe his daddy never loved him or he was constantly bullied but no way does any man go out of their way, that often, to make a comment about another man's looks without having some serious problems of their own.

Fabbs, if you're an ugly son or just someone that's been unfairly crapped on for the majority of your life, it's okay. I'm sure there are plenty of support groups out there for you. You're just going to have to man up and take the first step. You can do it, Fabbs. Have a little faith and belief in yourself. If you don't, who will ? Maybe that's it, "who will?"

And of course, all the journalists hang out at theses forums and just rip all of their material from people like us. Because obviously we're just a different breed and all journalists are Jeff McDonald or Mike Monroe. I got news for you, Fabbs, the Express News is an exception, not the rule. And though there are plenty of exceptions out there, so are there plenty of passionate, quality writers with more access and insight than the majority here. Please, Fabbs, let's not let insecurity rule our lives with this incessant need for self-importance. Humility isn't a four-letter word.

Sure thing bra.

You've added a lot to the discussion. Like zero cred.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ighlight=Jones
Ignignokt, could you please add Zero Cred errr i mean BlackJacker to the sploaded list.

Now here is where you want to laugh but you start to feel that maybe the guy just doesn't know any better. It's like picking on a kid who's mentally handicapped or completely devoid of confidence or the means to defend himself: Sure, it's rather easy to do and you might even find some tiny bit of satisfaction in it at first but as soon as you realize how low you've sunk or the type of person you're taking advantage of, the brief satisfaction turns to regret and disgust. It's just not a good look.

So what was his saving grace and his retort that he didn't lift this notion from Simmons. Well, he posted a link to a thread he posted on June 14, 2009. Well, there you have it! The guy brought it up a year ago. Case closed. Nothing to see here, folks. Just Blackjack making a fool of himself, yet again.

Oh, but wait. Wait just a second, y'all! The person I believed he had lifted the notion from didn't only write about the subject well before Fabbs, but 2Cleva actually posted Simmons' column here on May 20, 2009. Well, surely Fabbs knew nothing of this. It was posted on the NBA board, no one commented on it and it was lost in the shuffle before much if any could see it.

What!?! It was posted on the Spurs board? Ya don't say! But it surely wasn't seen by anyone, I mean it got lost in the shuffle, right?

Yeah, not so much; the thread made it to 8-pages by May 26, 2009 and Fabbs' thread came about just 19 days later. Weird . . .

^^oh my. 1st time I've checked back. That you want to believe Simmons is the 1st person to compare Boston and the Spurs les? Go for it.
And/or that i ripped Simmons off?

Before i was going to say "You must be or be related to a journalist".
Now i know.

Now this was particularly funny because I had a good laugh noticing Fabbs being online and actually visiting the thread after I posted, but failing to make a comment. Maybe he just missed the post though, just like he missed the 8-pages of Simmons' thread before blessing us with his infinite wisdom. You really should have just left well enough alone, bro. I didn't bump the thread to make you look bad or gloat over your fail. I thought about it briefly but, as mentioned before, I knew what that brief satisfaction would become.

Please, my SpursTalk brethren, don't turn a cold shoulder to this man in his time of need. Our brother needs the help and support of this community to find that little scared or lost little boy inside of himself so that he can address what brought about this insecurity and grow into the man he was supposed to be.

Fabbs . . .

(And yes, I am both related to a journalist and a journalist myself. But I must withhold the iden y of both, for the repercussions would be disastrous. But since you don't know my name or what I look like, I can tell you this: Fabbs, I am Batman; Fabbs, I am also your father.

Get the help you need, son. )

Now I'm done . . .

[Fabbs]

Pardon me, John Lucas. Wait Jerry tarkanian... Tom thibedou!



keep up your bs campaign of lies however.

Eric_Park thinking he is being cutesy by saying the choice of Tom Thibodeau as coach would have been a disaster the likes of Lucas and Tark.

Nice to bring you up to date, T_Park.

[TJastal]

Eric_Park thinking he is being cutesy by saying the choice of Tom Thibodeau as coach would have been a disaster the likes of Lucas and Tark.

Nice to bring you up to date, T_Park.

lmao...

[ChumpDumper]

Blackjack must be mul roll....