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    Lastly, if your next point will be :

    "Then they will have to raise prices!"

    well, I can guarantee that another company will come along and offer lower prices to gain a compe ive advantage.

    It will introduce a new business model. This is how capitalism works. Adapt, adapt, adapt.
    The new business model being to ask congress to create a temporary visa program to get cheaper labor... we've seen this picture before many, many times.

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    Also,

    do you look at the profits these companies are making?

    Look at Wal-Mart, and many others. It's in the tens of billions.

    They will be forced to curtail their profits by lowering their prices, or be taken down by another start-up company who DOES OFFER lower prices.
    Wal-Mart is the prime example of how being too big to fail allows you to wrestle anything you want from anybody, including Congress.
    It's cheaper for a multi-billion company to pay off the political career of somebody that agrees with them than to change their business model.

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    If you think the 'fix' has anything to do with attacking the oligarchy, then you'll get really disappointed, really quick.
    Securing the border actually is something that works great both for the country and for the corps. It gives them an excuse to raise praises while still being able to nudge Washington to get full control of the cheap labor.
    What is really surprising is that it hasn't happened yet.
    I'm with you on the border issue.

    but attacking the Arizona law is the wrong thing to do, because what it has done is created a SPARK in america.

    Things are going to get done now, as now Florida is thinking about supporting and adopting the Arizona law too.

    Yeah, we should secure the border first. But how long have we been talking about it and NTOHING gets done?

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    Wal-Mart is the prime example of how being too big to fail allows you to wrestle anything you want from anybody, including Congress.
    It's cheaper for a multi-billion company to pay off the political career of somebody that agrees with them than to change their business model.
    Now you're talking about our broken political system.

    Yeah, that's another problem we have to fix....

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    Yeah, we should secure the border first. But how long have we been talking about it and NTOHING gets done?
    Arizona doesn't need to wait for the federal government to secure their part of the border. And the money that will be spent on this bill would have been much better spent securing their part of the border.
    I'm not really against the enforcement part of the law. I'm certainly against the provision that gives arbitrary authority to law enforcement to verify papers whenever they want. I think it's overreaching and potentially uncons utional.
    But I'm sure that will be tried on time.
    I just don't think it's going to be effective without proper border security.

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    also, if you listen to Arizona lawmakers and citizens

    the first thing out of their mouths is what??

    "SECURE THE BORDER"

    They keep saying that the Gov't won't secure the border, so this is what they had to do.

    You could say they are the biggest supporters of border security.

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    I'm a legal resident and I've been asking for that forever. It's logical just from a security standpoint alone, besides the immigration issue.

    Obviously, there's either a lack of interest, or it's genuinely difficult to do.

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    I'm certainly against the provision that gives arbitrary authority to law enforcement to verify papers whenever they want. I think it's overreaching and potentially uncons utional.
    A policeman can stop you whenever they want when you are driving a vehicle.

    They verify your eligibility to operate a vehicle EVERY SINGLE DAY.

    Did you complain when they asked you for your drivers license?

    About 2 years ago, I was stopped by a policeman who said my vehicle fit the description of a stolen car. I cooperated and the whole thing lasted less than 5 minutes and he was nice to me and everything.

    Did I cry and that he thought my car was a stolen car?


    Jesus. Being in this country illegally is a crime. and if a policeman has su ion that you have broken into this country illegaly, he should have every right to check.

    How many times have you seen a bunch of illegalls standing around Home Depot or places and you just KNOW some/all of them are illegal?

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    also, did you know

    1) Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico. You must be of good character and have no criminal records; and

    2) Foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics

    LOL!!!!!!!! USA is a doormat, isn't it? Illegal aliens come here on AMERICAN SOIL, and protest OUR LAWS AND POLITICIANS! LOL! Waving MEXICAN FLAGS!!!!! oh man

    3) foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;

    4) foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;

    5) those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

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    A policeman can stop you whenever they want when you are driving a vehicle.

    They verify your eligibility to operate a vehicle EVERY SINGLE DAY.

    Did you complain when they asked you for your drivers license?

    About 2 years ago, I was stopped by a policeman who said my vehicle fit the description of a stolen car. I cooperated and the whole thing lasted less than 5 minutes and he was nice to me and everything.

    Did I cry and that he thought my car was a stolen car?


    Jesus. Being in this country illegally is a crime. and if a policeman has su ion that you have broken into this country illegaly, he should have every right to check.

    How many times have you seen a bunch of illegalls standing around Home Depot or places and you just KNOW some/all of them are illegal?
    I've been pulled over for the samething and let go in a few minutes. I didn't cry that my car looked like the stolen one. I hope they do the same if my wheels get stolen.

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    also, did you know

    1) Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico. You must be of good character and have no criminal records; and

    2) Foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics

    LOL!!!!!!!! USA is a doormat, isn't it? Illegal aliens come here on AMERICAN SOIL, and protest OUR LAWS AND POLITICIANS! LOL! Waving MEXICAN FLAGS!!!!! oh man

    3) foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;

    4) foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;

    5) those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

    And Obama allowed that prick to speak before our congress on how the Arizona bill is a joke. Silly, silly libs.

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    A policeman can stop you whenever you want when you are driving a vehicle.

    They verify your eligibility to operate a vehicle EVERY SINGLE DAY.

    Did you complain when they asked you for your drivers license?

    About 2 years ago, I was stopped by a policeman who said my vehicle fit the description of a stolen car. I cooperated and the whole thing lasted less than 5 minutes and he was nice to me and everything.

    Did I cry and that he thought my car was a stolen car?

    Jesus. Being in this country illegally is a crime. and if a policeman has su ion that you have broken into this country illegaly, he should have every right to check.

    How many times have you seen a bunch of illegalls standing around Home Depot or places and you just KNOW some/all of them are illegal?
    Actually, that's not how it works at all. A police officer needs to have probable cause to stop you. A police officer does NOT have the authority to stop you just to verify your driving papers.
    The cop you mention had a reasonable cause to stop you because your car was similar to a recently stolen car.
    If people would be educated enough about what their rights are, then they would stop thinking erroneously like you just did.

    Second of all, an illegal immigrant is not a criminal. It's entirely a civil matter, ruled by civil law, not criminal law. Immigration cases are judged in front of an administrative judge of the BCIS, not a criminal judge.
    And illegal alien is no different than somebody getting a parking ticket, in that it's a civil offense for breaking a civil law. You don't call those criminals, do you?
    The ONLY reference I see in the criminal code is the actual act of entering the country illegally (US Code, le 8, Section 1325). You could also classify illegal aliens that use false social security numbers as committing iden y theft, which is a felony.

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    maybe we should ing copy Mexico's immigration laws?

    They are one of the strictest, toughest in the entire western hemisphere.

    What a bunch of ing hypocrites.

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    also, did you know

    1) Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico. You must be of good character and have no criminal records; and

    2) Foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics

    LOL!!!!!!!! USA is a doormat, isn't it? Illegal aliens come here on AMERICAN SOIL, and protest OUR LAWS AND POLITICIANS! LOL! Waving MEXICAN FLAGS!!!!! oh man

    3) foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;

    4) foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;

    5) those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.
    That's irrelevant. We're discussing American immigration, and I really have no problem making it tougher. Mexicans can do whatever they want with their country.

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    maybe we should ing copy Mexico's immigration laws?

    They are one of the strictest, toughest in the entire western hemisphere.

    What a bunch of ing hypocrites.
    Maybe. I wouldn't want to copy Mexico's justice system though.

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    And Obama allowed that prick to speak before our congress on how the Arizona bill is a joke. Silly, silly libs.
    It was ing ridiculous. Obama is a ing asshole. He is so intent on sucking so that everyone likes him....

    jack, this is more of Mexico's immigration laws :

    Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony.

    "A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)

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    Obama hates cops and whites. The dude had no clue what happened between that cop and professor but he nailed the white dude/cop.

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    when I go out of the usa I have to carry my passport with me everywhere I go
    why should they not carry proof they are usa citizen

    is it racism that I in the usa have to carry my drivers licence with me all the time when I am driving

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    This isn't hard. Everyone that gets pulled over is asked for license and insurance. Everyone that travels by plane is asked for ID and put through a metal detector and "randomly" searched. What is one more check? More BS politics. One side painting the other as racist.

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    Those Mexican laws make as much sense as if the Third Reich had a law that made it a criminal offense to run into a crematorium. Who'd want to?

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    good ... get the out

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    This isn't hard. Everyone that gets pulled over is asked for license and insurance. Everyone that travels by plane is asked for ID and put through a metal detector and "randomly" searched. What is one more check? More BS politics. One side painting the other as racist.
    One more check in what situation?

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    I don't know why so many people are against this new law. The authorities know most the time when they make a stop of an illegal. The problem is they can simple do nothing about it.

    Anyone who has been involved in good decision making knows that you tackle your biggest problems. The southern border and illegal Mei-can immigrants are the largest problem, therefor, good problem solving techniques dictate this be dealt with first.

    We all have to stop listening to and using a particular stupid argument. The majority of the illegal immigrants are Mexican. Any attempt to reduce or stop illegal immigration is now said to be racists. Think about it. How many situations in life will never be resolved if you allow such stupid ideas to sway a decision? I'm sure some people who are racists are using this argument to get their way. However, the majority of us who want to see border control and immigration control are not.

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