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yeah I'm trying to see where he's going with this, cause right now he's just basically calling himself an idiotSo you are a fan of a fixed game?Well then I guess the NBA is doing their job.
So you are a fan of a fixed game?
yeah I'm trying to see where he's going with this, cause right now he's just basically calling himself an idiotSo you are a fan of a fixed game?
Here's what I think: if someday the technology for robots to replace refs existed and these robots never made a mistake, the NBA would not use them. Ever. Referees and "human error" are the ultimate catch-all excuse. Heck, even when I was in school growing up, "human error" was always in my science reports as a possible confound.
I would also like to point out that spreading a boring series from 4-5 games may mean less attendance each game but potentially more overall sales, and the only personnel the NBA would have to pay more would be the refs and score keepers and such that work the games.
Like others have said, I suspect the league tries to affect which way the wind blows but it doesn't always work out.
You are quite the Laker fan for misunderstanding, and miscomprehension. No offense but some of you Laker fans are just plain stupid. You guys can't read something to understand it, but I guess thats nothing relatively new to yall. Especially given the fact that everything is given to you.So you are a fan of a fixed game?
What I implied to say is that I am a fan of the game. Within this thread I propose my concern for how the game is officiated. I never said I was a fan of 'fixed' games. I am a fan of clean good officiated basketball. Something that has been missing since the early 90's.
Look, here is something to think about;
If a police dept is allowed to police themselves....how corrupt would they be?
Whenever there are charges of police brutality, corruption or some other impropriety---what happens?
First, there is usually a police dept investigation---and what do they usually find?
That the officers were only doing their job, that there was NO illicit activity---nothing to see here,etc....
Next---IF---the public DEMANDS it----there is some kind of a third party--or gov't---or IMPARTIAL investigation---where they invariably find.....
that the DIRT comes out, followed by a trial, hearings, ----and IF LUCKY----JUSTICE.
NOW,
concerning the NBA, allegations, Donaghy, gambling, disgruntled fans of teams that may have been screwed,etc....
what happens?
STERN---conducts HIS OWN investigation....calls Donaghy a rogue ref----NOTHING ILLEGAL ---happening---just drop it already.
END OF STORY---NO PROPER INVESTIGATION---NOTHING!
So, draw your own conclusions...one day we will have enough and the NBA will be just like wrestling, santa claus and the easter bunny...
How ironic that a Spur fan brings up Donaghy...I'm surprised you guys haven't erected a statue of him in front of the AT&T Center
I think the plans for the statue have been set in motion, DeadlyDynasty. Hopefully we can put a statue of the Lakers right next to the statue of Donaghy and make it into a water fountain so that it looks like Donaghy is pissing on the Lakers. That's how it happened right? Donaghy screwed the Lakers over?
don't know what you are implying with donaghy...
but to clarify---no-one is saying that donaghy is a beacon of truth---
but his allegations, for example, rang a bell to millions of fans that watched that lakers/kings debacle---
and the point is that----maybe donaghy is a dirtbag/corrupt/rogue ref---
but if that is true....
why NOT bring in an impartial body to conduct a proper investigation to clear the integrity/su ions of the NBA?
Why allow those su ions to mount?
Is there something to hide?
If this was someone's civil rights being violated by a state or federal agency---would the public just accept that the state or federal agency conducted its OWN investigation and declared themselves innocent?
Why is this different?
nope, he never did, but the 2007 Suns might have a gripe
then, IMO ---that would be fine ...nope, he never did, but the 2007 Suns might have a gripe
IF a proper investigation determined that the spurs should NOT have beaten the suns---I for one would like to know---
would ANY lakers fans want to know and accept the truth of the 2002 kings/lakers series?
dude if the NBA or somebody else wants to mandate that a 3rd party "investigate" your accusations, then fine...i'm all for it. I really couldn't care less either way b/c I don't live and die with every bounce of the ball in a game that has no effect on my life. Case in point, the steroid fiasco in baseball is completely overblown...who really gives a ?
Here's what people don't understand about that series and just about life in general...there's 2 sides to every story. If you truly wanted a thorough investigation into that series, than you'd find that the Lakers got hosed at the end of game 5, but all anyone remembers is Kobe burying his elbow in Bibby's grill at the end of game 6. One bad officiated game deserves another. Not only that, Sacto had a Game 7 on their home floor(the same floor where they had the best home record in the league that year), but the refs somehow caused the Kings to go 16-30 from the FT line in a close-out game. That is why people who whine about that series get no sympathy from me. The right team won, case closed
Let us not forget that the 2002 Kings were probably the cryingest buncha es ever assembled--and this was the case way before that series. The team was full of floppers (Divac), whiners (Bibby, Divac, et al), and notorious choke artists (Webber, Peja, and Christie). You're gonna sit here and tell me that group were true champions? Seriously? LMFAO...please, tell me another
If the NBA is rigged than each le San Antonio gets should count as 10. In a similar vein, LA, MJ, Boston les should count as like a half. This clearly makes the Spurs the best team in NBA history since they had to play 5v8 each game.
Of course, no conspiracy nut/NBA fan will agree to this (well maybe 0 le team fans, they have nothing to lose).
One day NBA fan will just realize that the refs are terrible because of the superstar treatment. All these crappy whiny teams have no star worthy of phantom fouls so they cry about the NBA being rigged. Notice all these Bulls and Hornets fans crying? LOL.
Exactly so...
Whoever thinks that the league is rigged and still watches it and even posts here is a complete moron.
We all know some superstars get some special treatment but that doesn't make the league rigged. And even the special treatment is somewhat understandable. Officials are also human and probably ex players; it is understandable they like/dislike certain players.
And with the game as fast as it is, it is understandable they miss a lot of calls; but in the 99% of the times the best team wins.
I'm not totally sure how this disproves what Donaghy is claiming. Also, your claim that "one badly-officiated game deserves another" presumes the games are officiated equally badly.
Also, lol at the people who think quitting something cold turkey is common place and easy. Even if some people think the NBA is rigged, maybe they are in the process of quitting or cutting down. Some of them may not even think the NBA is totally rigged, but even if they do think that, they shouldn't post their thoughts on the matter? The only thing that annoys me are the posters who don't have anything substantial to say and resort to calling people morons.
Oh wait, I don't like it when people do that, I guess I shouldn't visit SpursTalk anymore? As Lakaluva pointed out, it's being overrun by obnoxious fans but it's still a chill place to hang out and do some leisure reading on a variety of topics.
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Yup. The sad thing is that this should really go without saying. But I guess it doesn't when you are dealing with complete morons.
Exactly so...
Whoever thinks that the league is rigged and still watches it and even posts here is a complete moron.
I continue to watch it for the same reason people watch WWE. Its called entertainment and quite franlkly I am entertained when I see a genius like Stern pull off one of the most unthinkables.
I do believe in HCA giving teams a slight edge in calls, but I think most manipulation occurs behind the scenes with owners/teams such as when trades/deals are made that are not disclosed to all teams. Guess it's the owner's part of the game...
Just wondering, for all you conspiracy theorists out there, its always 'David Stern' taking over, 'David Stern' manipulating games, 'David Stern' doing what he wants. Has it ever occurred to guys that maybe the league officials aren't involved but that the players are involved? After all, they have direct control over the game and looking how stubborn, selfish, and immature some of these players are, could they be influenced by an outside party perhaps paying them extra to lose a game on purpose etc.?
Oh, yeah...one more thing...if the NBA were truly rigged, then there is NFW a "boring" small-market team like the Spurs would have won 4 les in 9 years. No Spurs fan should ever believe the NBA is rigged. Have there been some ty calls/non-calls by certain referees (yeah, Joey, I'm talking about you) over the years? Sure there have...but it's a long way from that to "the NBA is rigged".
it is not as simple as the nba just being rigged...
I am saying that when there are serious allegations, accusations and generally a lot of su ions---
then THAT is when it becomes time to clear the air---to investigate and to review how the climate has become so tainted---that fans are regularly having these debates.
Back to the police analogy;
Say---for example---that the LAPD is constantly being accused or implicated in illicit activity---what happens?
Well, if lucky---SOMEONE cares enough to make questions,inquiries to FIND OUT---if there is something there and usually---where there is smoke there is fire....
so, in time, somekind of investigation or study takes place and ---if enough dirt is found---then investigations,etc... begin to get more intensive.
Back to the NBA;
If there has been allegations---and there has---
then it should be time to AT LEAST---have some kind of impartial panel or agency---look in to things...have refs under a mocroscope---bring newly trained refs into the league---investigate the donaghy phone calls made to other refs before games,etc
and all this should be done ----TO THE NBA FANS SATISFACTION----
NOT only to STERNS satisfaction.
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