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why the would Dirk do a sign N trade?
to be nice to the Mavs? because PHX has salary cap issues or more money? lol
if Dirk was able to, he should just sign straight up with PHX and let PHX keep all their assets so they have a better chance to ring.
Any one of those 5 players besides Grant Hill is > than Manu.
why the would Dirk do a sign N trade?
to be nice to the Mavs? because PHX has salary cap issues or more money? lol
if Dirk was able to, he should just sign straight up with PHX and let PHX keep all their assets so they have a better chance to ring.
Lakers have no bench to speak of and look at them.
If the starting 5 is good enough......
Like I said, if he signs for the MLE for two seasons, fine...
Nash, Dragic
Richardson, Barbosa (though I expect him to be traded for nothing very soon)
Hill, Dudley
Dirk, Clark
Amare, Lopez
That's decent enough to give it a try, seeing that you get a better player for the price of Frye and Amundson.
But if they have to do a sign-n-trade, like you pointed out in your previous post, losing Dragic/Clark would be devastating, as their offense is only marginally better, and without their bench, Suns aren't nearly as good.
Suns can't really be too much more offensively efficient. So adding Dirk doesn't increase their wins by too many, especially since they get only slightly better on the boards and stay about equal on defense.
" I know how you feel, Steve "
Suns would trade Dragic in a deal for Dirk in a heartbeat.
No one ever said Frye Amare Hill Jrich and Nash is good, all Sunfan is saying in this thread is it's not worth giving away their future to slightly improve the team. Since it's clear Frye and Amare are opting out and GHill isn't, the Suns will have roughly 13,000,000 in cap room entering the off season. I'd be open to Dirk if all three of these following things actually happened to fullfill a pipe dream scenario:
- Dirk agrees to take a discount and sign for 13,000,000 regardless of the team he's been on his entire career probably willing to give him the max (20,000,000). That sounds likely (not really)
- Suns guarantee Amare the contract he wants if he agrees to wait till after they sign Dirk since they have bird rights to him and can resign him to the max regardless of the salary cap. Oh, and he has to agree to wait on that, which is far fetched to say the least.
- Sarver has to be willing to balloon his payroll with a team that will suck at defense and be a darkhorse contender.
Dirk/Lopez/Collins
Amare/Clark
Hill/Dudley
J-Rich/anyone but Barbosa
Nash/Dragic
yeah, I guess that's technically possible, but I wouldn't deem it likely.
I guess after this Lebron signs for the MLE.
Dirk/Lopez/Collins
Amare/Clark
Lebron/Dudley
J-Rich/Hill
Nash/Dragic
Why are you replying to yourself?
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isn't technically possible.Suns guarantee Amare the contract he wants if he agrees to wait till after they sign Dirk since they have bird rights to him and can resign him to the max regardless of the salary cap. Oh, and he has to agree to wait on that, which is far fetched to say the least.
I've always been unsure about how bird rights work so I'm not gonna argue here. Just to confirm what you're saying, it's not legal for a team that has cap room to sign another player AND THEN go over the cap resigning a player who they have bird rights to? This has seriously been something that I never knew for sure so I'm not surprised. I hope your right because it makes my joke scenario impossible.
And I responded to myself because I wanted to prove how stupid the notion of the Suns keep Amare, Nash and J-Rich while getting Dirk.
It's the cap holds - to create those $13 millions needed to sign Dirk, the Suns would need to renounce to Stoudemire's rights, meaning they wouldn't be able to sign him with the Bird exception later on.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
Questions #29 to #33
OK thank you that makes sense now. It always seemed weird that a team with cap room could wait to resign a player who they had bird rights to and fill up their cap room in the mean time.
Just to clarify, since Amare's contract would still count on their payroll, they're still technically over the salary cap and would get a MLE?
Dear original poster,
Please go back to dallasbasketball.com, your "contributions" are not necessary here.
STFU findawg, just cause I am not a homer Mavs fan like your sorry ass don't mean I gotta leave. You in the other hand is the perfect fit for that trash hole they call DB.com. Maybe you can suck Mike Fisher a.k.a Cuban's puppet's while you're it?
No Mavs fan on Mavs fan hate. please!
Almost seems like they need amare to walk and sign dirk, then get a defensive dark horse.
This all a ''what if'' scenario, as a true Mavericks fan, I open to the possibility of Dirk leaving as much as I am to Lebron coming.
If you're a Suns fan, if Amare decides to jump , I am sorry but might as well rebuild, cause you aint winning a championship anytime soon.
I think Dirk should go to the suns and Amare to the Mavericks. That'll make both teams better. lol.
*enter nazi, stage left*
But you aren't. So quit acting like you are and get with the Lebron schtick.
Why would our team, who lacks scoring in the worst way, get better with subs uting Amare with Dirk? Go back to clutchfans please or post better.
A team with Dirk and Amare would be unstoppable and awesome to watch.
Yeah, Frye is nothing but a role player and spot-up three-point shooter who can't create his own shot, whereas Dirk is one of the most efficient scorers in the game, doesn't take very many three-pointers anymore, is a top ten player, and creates almost all of his offense from the elbow and mid-post. And he's 100X ing better than Channing Frye. So, yeah, in other words, he's a "pimp'd out Channing Frye."Dirk is pretty much a pimp'd out Channing Frye.
What a ing dip you are.
Last edited by Findog; 05-31-2010 at 12:57 PM.
Not in my book. Dirk is better than Amare, and when Amare doesn't touch the ball on every possession he starts to zone out and think about doing crack with his mom, so what would happen would be Dirk scoring points and then the guy Amare is supposed to be guarding having a wide open layup to answer Dirk's shot.
You're a 15 year old girl who knows nothing about basketball, aka "Dirk is a pimp'd out Channing Frye." I'm sorry, but I don't like weak takes, and you have nothing to offer but weak takes.
If I were a homer, I'd never visit Spurstalk, since the Mavs are pretty much a laughingstock around here.
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