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Well you don't usually wait for all of the facts when you attack Obama and the dems.. why do you want to wait now? Can we make you pledge that you won't critcize obama or the dems until all of the facts are out on every story reported?
Stand up man!
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The ship with the Camoros flag, which is 98% Sunni Islam in population. Bet those racists couldn't attack the Israeli soldiers fast enough. The anticipation must have been hard for them to keep at bay.
Why did they say "Jihad, Jihad, Jihad" on the radio when contacted?
Well you don't usually wait for all of the facts when you attack Obama and the dems.. why do you want to wait now? Can we make you pledge that you won't critcize obama or the dems until all of the facts are out on every story reported?
Stand up man!
So instead of dealing with it diplomatically, they decide to provoke a confrontation. Oh they've tried this before as well. So I think it's pretty clear their objective was one of provocation and not humanitarianism
The Free Gaza Movement has organized several aid voyages since the summer of 2008, usually consisting of one or two vessels. The earliest ones were allowed to reach Gaza. Others have been intercepted and forced back, and one, last June, was commandeered by the Israeli Navy and towed to Ashdod. This six-boat fleet was the most ambitious attempt yet to break the blockade.They repelled down one at a time with paintball guns.Looks like they provoked an attack by storming the ship.
Because they had no intention of letting Israel take the ships to Ashdod.You can't conclusively say they wouldn't. I have seen no reports of illegal or dangerous cargo on any of the ships (please don't show pictures of slingshots and kitchen knives and claim they were going to Gaza terraists), so why would they object to a simple inspection?
Wild cobra..still waiting for your pledgeWell you don't usually wait for all of the facts when you attack Obama and the dems.. why do you want to wait now? Can we make you pledge that you won't critcize obama or the dems until all of the facts are out on every story reported?
I think it's pretty clear they had both objectives in mind.
Why a commando raid with guns of any kind? It's pretty clear their objective was provocation.They repelled down one at a time with paintball guns.
I agree with that. Why would they need to be taken to Ashdod?Because they had no intention of letting Israel take the ships to Ashdod.
Is that your suspected justification for the attack? That there were people chanting against Israel in international waters?
BTW, all six ships had white flags identifying them as civilian ships. If in doubt, Israel could have requested permission to inspect the ships.
Why do you think they did not? Why do you think they opted instead to attack in the high seas? Because they were chanting Jihad?
Do you think Israel has a right to kill all the protesters worldwide that were chanting against Israel too?
LOL...
Don't you understand the differences?
Even if Israel was wrong for putting troops on the ship, they were attacked with deadly weapons. That fact in not in dispute.
Why place provocation over humanitarianism then?
I honestly don't know. I don't know about the previous attempts and whether they sent in unarmed personnel or what. But I think it's clear (to me at least) that the Israeli forces were expecting some kind of resistance, just not the level that they met.Why a commando raid with guns of any kind? It's pretty clear their objective was provocation.
Because Israel is conducting a blockade of an area they believe needs to be blockaded.I agree with that. Why would they need to be taken to Ashdod?
you are a right winger and will jump at any opportunity to attack a left winger without waiting for all of the facts..got it.
Because they ultimate goal is to lift the blockade, which is a humanitarian aim.
Storming a ship with commandos can do that.I honestly don't know. I don't know about the previous attempts and whether they sent in unarmed personnel or what. But I think it's clear (to me at least) that the Israeli forces were expecting some kind of resistance, just not the level that they met.
Blockading humanitarian aid?Because Israel is conducting a blockade of an area they believe needs to be blockaded.
What do they have against humanitarian aid?
BTW, these are not the first six ships sent there. This was simply the largest flotilla. Israel did allow through the first two ships when this started a long time ago, after that they always disabled or intercepted the ships. Obviously, there were no deaths in prior occurences so it wasn't publicized as much.
So Israel has the right to rappel armed soldiers onto any ship in international waters with no advance warning or legal basis, with the ability to fire upon anyone who treats them as hostile? This is what is considered acceptable to you?
How many blockades have been lifted by provocation?
I fail to see how they stormed the ship. The navy warned the ships and then the soldiers repelled down one at a time.Storming a ship with commandos can do that.
Come on now. How is Israel supposed to know what is on any ship that is heading for the containment area? Should they take their word for it?Blockading humanitarian aid?
What do they have against humanitarian aid?
How many blockades were against humanitarian aid?
Commandos repelling from a Blackhawk with guns is storming. It certainly isn't a typical coast guard interception.I fail to see how they stormed the ship. The navy warned the ships and then the soldiers repelled down one at a time.
How would that be any different in Ashod? Would they have magically known what was on the boat had they only pulled into that port?Come on now. How is Israel supposed to know what is on any ship that is heading for the containment area? Should they take their word for it?
Really?
Maybe it has something to do with that whole, ya know, inspection procedure thingy that's been discussed for about 14 pages now.
Have you looked into any of the facts, or are you just responding in a biased way to what anyone says? They didn't drop-in to kill anyone. They killed in defense, after being attacked with deadly weapons. Free Gaza has sent ships four prior times, and each time, Israel boarded them. This is the first time the soldiers had to defend themselves.
Do you think the Israeli Forced didn't know the flag of each ship? Don't you find it coincidental that the only time the Israeli forced had to protect themselves from "civilians" belonging to Free Gaza, was aboard a ship who's home port is 98% Sunni?
Challenger 1 - USA
Challenger II - USA
Gazze - Turkey
Kiribati - Turkey
MV Mavi Marmara - Comoros
MV Rachel Corrie - Cambodia
All the ones where any ship tried to enter containing humanitarian aid. You think this blockade is selective for aid?
They wanted to take the ships to Ashdod so they could inspect them properly.How would that be any different in Ashod? Would they have magically known what was on the boat had they only pulled into that port?
They had warning. Every "Free Gaza" ship sent in the past was boarded. Two hours after the convoy was told what port to divert to, that ship radioed "jihad" three times. What are they to think?
Were the soldiers just suppose to let themselves be killed?
Re-read it in context. I was responding to him saying they're blockading humanitarian aid. How would they know unless they stop the ships.
Maybe it has something to do with that whole, ya know, inspection procedure thingy that's been discussed for about 14 pages now.
Correct. All past shipments have been boarded and inspected.
Stop making me agree with Wild Cobra dammit!
Why block humanitarian aid?
So they would just take their word for it if they went to Ashod. Understood.They wanted to take the ships to Ashdod so they could inspect them properly.
Does the Israeli military have a right to board any boat they want in international waters with armed troops?
With armed commandos repelling from Blackhawks?
In international waters?
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