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I carry a loaded gun in my car......are you saying it was wrong for them to have loaded guns boarding a boat that was acting hostile?
They did use paintball guns initially. It was reported last night. They also had loaded guns with them too, as it was also reported.
I carry a loaded gun in my car......are you saying it was wrong for them to have loaded guns boarding a boat that was acting hostile?
Give it time. You've probably just had bad experiences. I met a good amount of muslims in Israel that were friendly and didn't hate jews.
So you basically hate every muslim, even though there's plenty of jews that are treated well in muslim countries (ie: Turkey). Now you're starting to sound pretty ignorant.
I concur. Although not in Israel but in other parts of the world.
I wouldn't expect a Nazi harborer to understand that rabid anti-Semitism in today's society.
I went to the Arab Shukh (not sure of the english spelling) and the people were very nice. Then again I hear if you go at night you're likely to be stabbed and robbed.
How am I a Nazi harborer? I thought we went through this already.
And I understand pretty well today's society. I have plenty of israeli and also muslim friends on 3 continents. Sure, there is anti-semitism. And I think that people is indeed ignorant. I don't quite understand how the same hateful preconceived notion when it doesn't apply to Israel is not just as ignorant.
internet detective at his best once agian, not noticing i posted the link right after it wasn't there. I thought it was in my post.
I think its clear as day what you are trying to do, yo are trying to build your case on the fact that the link wasn't on there at first and i posted it right after, instead of countering factual information.
Bravo sir.
Your bull and spy tactics adulterate this entire board.
do i need to start posting jew oven pics to equate myself to your posts?
Its actually quite funny, I welcome your insults knowing I've posted my pic on here before.
lol gerrymandering articles to support your argument.
classic.
And let me say something.
Shasta, even though we don't agree and I feel a lot of your crap is bull . You have some substance backing you uip.
To be posting ignorant things like DOK just shows his character and what kind of person he is.
I thought you were cool when it came to basketball talk, but if you are really this bigoted its quite sad.
THere are ed up people all over the world.
I'm not going to say all muslims are bad and call everyone that disagrees antisemetic.
my argument??!?!?! Wtf have you been posting?
That Israel doesn't need to obey international law and all muslim people deserve to die?
You call what you're making an argument? I actually have to respond to shasta but your ignorance is so blatant i just shake my head.
CNN right now, George Peck former U.S dipplomat on the ship painting an accurate picture.
Listen in everyone
My bad. Your official position is you don't know how to copy, paste, and supply a link. That's a much better scenario
I countered the "factual" information in the portion of the article you actually posted.I think its clear as day what you are trying to do, yo are trying to build your case on the fact that the link wasn't on there at first and i posted it right after, instead of countering factual information.
And it took you 13 minutes to supply the link.
Thanks?Bravo sir.
Your bull and spy tactics adulterate this entire board.
my argument??!?!?! Wtf have you been posting?
That Israel doesn't need to obey international law and all muslim people deserve to die?
You call what you're making an argument? I actually have to respond to shasta but your ignorance is so blatant i just shake my head.
I've been posting stuff that's doing a good job pissing you off, seeing that you're resorting to article gerrymandering.
if you plan on pissing me off, don't count on it happening with all the benzos and weed I take everyday
It actually helps me look at things more clearly tbh
Is the NY Post mainstream enough for you? There is obviously more going on here than the simple narrative you initially provided.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...5Salz75brRSsMJ
Turkish (blood)bath
By RALPH PETERS
Last Updated: 10:52 AM, June 1, 2010
Posted: 12:21 AM, June 1, 2010
Yesterday's "aid convoy" incident off the coast of Gaza wasn't about bringing humanitarian supplies to the terrorist-ruled territory. It wasn't even about Israel.
It was about Turkey's determination to position itself as the leading Muslim state in the Middle East.
Three ships of that six-ship pro-terror convoy flew Turkish flags and were crowded with Turkish citizens. The Ankara government -- led by Islamists these days -- sponsored the "aid" operation in a move to position itself as the new champion of the Palestinians.
And Turkish decision-makers knew Israel would have to react -- and were waiting to exploit the inevitable clash. The provocation was as cynical as it was carefully orchestrated.
The lead vessel, the Mavi Marmara, just happened to have an al-Jazeera TV crew on board to film Israel's response. Ironically, the early videos would've been counterproductive, had world leaders and journalists not been programmed to blame everything on Israel.
Those videos showed Israeli commandos rappelling onto the ship with both hands on the rope (making it rather hard to use a weapon), yet activists claimed the Israelis opened fire as they descended.
Purely by coincidence, dozens of "peace activists" waited with sharpened iron bars, clubs, slingshots -- and rifles. Of course, the nine dead in the melee were all Israel's victims.
The first wave of Israeli commandos reportedly were armed only with paintball rounds for crowd control. Inspect those videos of maddened peaceniks assaulting the soldiers as they landed on deck. You don't see any Israelis pointing rifles -- they're fending off blows.
But the claims of pro-terrorist "peace advocates" are given instant credence.
The US government's initial response was restrained, but Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu understandably canceled his meeting with President Obama, scheduled for today. Bibi's got an emergency on his hands back home, as well-organized protests sweep the Middle East.
Meanwhile, the Europeans and UN bonzes rage at Israel with unseemly relish, but ignore the luxury lifestyles of Gaza's insider elite and the fact that no Palestinian's going hungry. The Israelis had even offered to transfer the aid aboard those ships to the Palestinians -- as long as they could inspect it.
But neither the activists nor the Turkish government wanted a negotiated outcome. This was a stunt from the start.
Now, as we wait to see if Hamas and Hezbollah up the ante, the world ignores Turkey's decisive role in this fiasco.
The US and the European Union cling to the fiction that Turkey's a "westernized Muslim democracy." But Turkey's moving to the east as fast as the Islamist leaders of the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) can drag it there.
Turkish leaders visit the West and sing, "Democracy, democracy, democracy!" We coo and clap. Then they go east and cry, "Islam, Islam, Islam!" And we insist they don't mean it.
Then there's Turkey's unfortunate NATO membership. Since the rise of its Islamists, Turkey has been a Trojan horse, not an ally. What happens now if Ankara provokes a military confrontation? How would we respond, given NATO's mutual-defense agreements?
The madcap agenda of Turkey's current rulers is to create a 21st-century version of the Ottoman Empire. Turks even mutter about the caliphate -- headed for centuries by the Turkish sultan. This is explosive stuff. And the Turks are playing with matches.
But we've obstinately ignored every warning sign. First, our "ally" stabbed us in the back on the eve of Operation Iraqi Freedom, denying our troops their planned routes into Iraq. Then the Turkish media intensified its anti-American fantasies.
Headscarves became de rigeur for the wives of top officials in Ankara as the Turks made mischief in Iraq. Emulating the history-obliterating Saudis, the Turks began work on the vast Ilisu Dam -- which will permanently submerge pre-Islamic and Kurdish archaeological sites of incalculable value. (The Bamiyan Buddhas destroyed by the Taliban were of comparatively minor interest to researchers.)
Then, just last month, the Turks moved to provide the Iranian regime with cover for its nuclear program. And we still didn't get it.
The most dramatic transformation in the Middle East since the fall of the shah is playing out before us. And we can't see behind the mask of the "plight of the Palestinians" (a key Obama administration concern).
In yesterday's confrontation, Israel behaved clumsily. The peace activists behaved savagely. The Turks behaved cynically. The world reacted predictably.
And Washington scratched its head.
Ralph Peters' latest book is "Endless War."
A pro-Israel op ed in a Rupert Murdoch media outlet?
Wow!
Ralph Peters
Ralph Peters has been a Post Opinion columnist since 2002. He is also Fox News' first Strategic Analyst. Ralph served for over two decades in the U.S. Army, as an enlisted man and officer, before retiring in 1998 to write and speak freely. He has experience in over 70 countries and is the author of 24 books, including novels, an adventure-travel memoir and works on strategy. While his home is at the Post, he also has editorial or contributor relationships with Armed Forces Journal, Armchair General Magazine and USAToday. He writes from the Washington, D.C. area, but remains, at heart, a proud coalcracker from Schuylkill County, Pennsylvania.
35 different nationalities among the 600 civilians in the boats. Far from being a Turkey-only move.
True, but of the 581 passengers aboard the Mavi Marmara, abound 400 were Turkish. The crew was probably from Comoros.
Pretty much all religion is radical.
I can't believe how goddamned dumb the Israelis are. Let's table for the moment the fact that the blockade itself is illegal and inhumane. As a matter of simply preventing the flotilla from penetrating the blockade, the IDF could've accomplished its objective without going all Kent State and resorting to lethal force. I don't think the potential Pandora's Box that the Israelis have opened is worth the disproportionate use of force in subduing the ship. They could've stationed a gunboat in front of the flotilla forcing it to stop or slow down. Or a frogman could've disabled the propeller and rudder with a small explosive. The immobilized ship could then be towed wherever the Israelis wanted.
I understand that the people on the boats are not pacifists in the mold of Gandhi or MLK, but they have a right to defend themselves from being boarded and subdued when they are in international waters. And I have a problem with the argument that no construction materials of any kind can enter Gaza because of their potential conversion into crude mortar rockets that are occasionally lobbed into Israeli territory. Those mortar rockets do not pose an existential threat to Israel, but because of it the Gazan population can't rebuild their infrastructure or have indoor plumbing? A toothbrush can be filed down into a shiv, so why not impose a ban on dental hygiene while you're at it? What a crude and irrational government Israel has.
Which makes 181 not Turkish. What's your point?
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