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    15 shot for bringing cement to gaza .


    This is ing sad, killing humanitarians bringing aid is low even for such brutal regime. ing pigs. This is the thing that pisses me off about them. Give these poor helpless mother ers guns and weapons and they abuse them to this extent. Waiting for self defense story to be propogated by the Israeli gallery.




    Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla

    HAIFA, Israel – Israeli warships attacked at least one of six ships carrying pro-Palestinian activists and aid for the blockaded Gaza Strip, killing at least two and wounding an unknown number of people on board, an Arabic satellite news channel and a Turkish TV network reported early Monday.

    The Israeli military spokesman's office denied that its forces attacked the boats but said they would enforce the decision to keep them away from Gaza.

    However, other security officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to report on the military operation, confirmed that activists were wounded, but did not give numbers.

    They said the troops faced resistance and that soldiers were under orders only to use fire if their lives were in danger.

    The al-Jazeera satellite channel reported by telephone from the Turkish ship leading the flotilla that Israeli navy forces fired at the ship and boarded it, wounding the captain. The Turkish NTV network also reported an Israeli takeover with gunfire, and that at least two people were killed.

    The al-Jazeera broadcast ended with a voice shouting in Hebrew, "Everybody shut up!"

    A Turkish website showed video of pandemonium on board one of the ships, with activists in orange life jackets running around as some tried to help an activist apparently unconscious on the deck. The site also showed video of an Israeli helicopter flying overhead and Israeli warships nearby.

    The reports came just after daybreak, with the flotilla still well away from the Gaza shore. Israel had declared it would not allow the ships to reach Gaza.

    Al-Jazeera footage showed soldiers descending from helicopters on ropes onto a ship and two men, apparently wounded, being carried away.

    A violent takeover would deal yet another blow to Israel's international standing, already tarnished by war crimes accusations in Gaza and its three-year-old blockade of the impoverished Palestinian territory.

    Greek activists said people on board one of the ships in the flotilla told them that Israeli forces boarded two other boats — one Greek, another Turkish — from helicopters and inflatable speedboats and took them over.

    They said the attack took place in international waters 80 miles (128 kilometers) from the Gaza coast and that the boat had refused to obey the Israeli navy's orders to halt.

    Shortly after, activists on board the ship told them that Israeli commandos had boarded the Greek boat and that the last words they heard before the connection was cut were, "They're boarding the ship using hooks, we're under arrest."

    The head of the Gaza Hamas government, Ismail Haniyeh, condemned the "brutal" Israeli attack.

    "We call on the Secretary-General of the U.N., Ban Ki-moon, to shoulder his responsibilities to protect the safety of the solidarity groups who were on board these ships and to secure their way to Gaza," Haniyeh told The Associated Press.

    Turkish television stations said police blocked dozens of stone-throwing protesters who tried to storm the Israeli consulate in Istanbul. The CNN-Turk and NTV televisions showed dozens of angry protesters scuffling with Turkish police and shouting, "Damn Israel."

    On Sunday, Huwaida Arraf, one of the organizers, said the six-ship flotilla began the journey from international waters off the coast of Cyprus on Sunday afternoon after two days of delays. She said they expected to reach Gaza, about 250 miles (400 kilometers) away, on Monday afternoon, and that two more ships would follow in "a second wave."

    The flotilla was "fully prepared for the different scenarios" that might arise, and organizers were hopeful that Israeli authorities would "do what's right" and not stop the convoy, she said.

    "We fully intend to go to Gaza regardless of any intimidation or threats of violence against us," she said. "They are going to have to forcefully stop us."

    After nightfall Sunday, three Israeli navy missile boats left their base in Haifa, steaming out to sea to confront the activists' ships.

    Two hours later, Israel Radio broadcast a recording of one of the missile boats warning the flotilla not to approach Gaza.

    "If you ignore this order and enter the blockaded area, the Israeli navy will be forced to take all the necessary measures in order to enforce this blockade," the radio message continued.

    Al-Jazeera also reported that the ships changed course to try to avoid a nighttime confrontation, preferring a daylight showdown for better publicity.

    The flotilla, which includes three cargo ships and three passenger ships, is trying to draw attention to Israel's blockade of Gaza. The boats are carrying items that Israel bars from reaching Gaza, like cement and other building materials. The activists said they also were carrying hundreds of electric-powered wheelchairs, prefabricated homes and water purifiers.

    Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said that after a security check, permitted humanitarian aid confiscated from the boats will be transferred to Gaza through authorized channels. However, Israel would not transfer items it has banned from Gaza under its blockade rules. Palmor said that for example, cement would be allowed only if it is tied to a specific project.

    This is the ninth time that the Free Gaza movement has tried to ship in humanitarian aid to Gaza since August 2008.

    Israel has let ships through five times, but has blocked them from entering Gaza waters since a three-week military offensive against Gaza's Hamas rulers in January 2009. The flotilla bound for Gaza is the largest to date.

    Some 700 pro-Palestinian activists are on the boats, including 1976 Nobel Peace Prize laureate Mairead Corrigan Maguire of Northern Ireland, European legislators and an elderly Holocaust survivor.

    The mission has experienced repeated delays, both due to mechanical problems and a decision by Cyprus to bar any boat from sailing from its shore to Gaza. The ban forced a group of European lawmakers to depart from the breakaway Turkish Cypriot northern part of the island late Saturday.

    Israel and Egypt imposed the blockade on Gaza after Hamas militants violently seized control of the seaside territory in June 2007.

    Israel says the measures are needed to prevent Hamas, which has fired thousands of rockets at Israel, from building up its arsenal. But U.N. officials and international aid groups say the blockade has been counterproductive, failing to weaken the Islamic militant group while devastating the local economy.

    In particular, the ban on building materials has prevented Gazans from repairing thousands of homes that were damaged or destroyed in an Israeli military offensive, meant to stop Hamas rocket attacks, early last year.

    Israel rejects claims of a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, saying it allows more than enough food and medicine into the territory. The Israelis also point to the bustling smuggling industry along Gaza's southern border with Egypt, which has managed to bring consumer goods, gasoline and livestock into the seaside strip.
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    link: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...siege-1.292789

    its a bit old so 2 were confirmed dead at the time

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    Gee I wonder why they need supplies?

    I hate how sheep can defend their stupid blockade of Gaza last year.

    Sorry, but people like DOK can't even defend this.

    The 2-year old blockade of the Gaza strip continued after the end of the war, although Israel allowed in limited quan ies of medical humanitarian aid.

    The Red Cross has released a report that argues that Israel's continued blockade is making it impossible for Gaza to recover from the war. The Red Cross says that the blockade is "strangling" the Gazan economy and also notes that the blockade has caused a shortage of basic medicines and equipment such as painkillers and x-ray film.[82]

    ....

    (Before blockade)

    A study carried out by Johns Hopkins University (U.S.) and Al-Quds University (in Abu Dis) for CARE International in late 2002 revealed very high levels of dietary deficiency among the Palestinian population. The study found that 17.5% of children aged 6–59 months suffered from chronic malnutrition. 53% of women of reproductive age and 44% of children were found to be anemic. In the aftermath of the Israeli withdrawal of August and September 2005, the health care system in Gaza continues to face severe challenges.[94] After the Hamas takeover of the Gaza Strip the health conditions in Gaza Strip faces new challenges. World Health Organization (WHO) expressed its concerns about the consequences of the Palestinian internal political fragmentation; the socioeconomic decline; military actions; and the physical, psychological and economic isolation on the health of the population in Gaza.[95]

    Gazans who desire medical care in Israeli hospitals must apply for a medical visa permit. In 2007, State of Israel granted 7,176 permits and denied 1,627.[96]

    ....

    (After blockade)

    Following the war, Gaza has witnessed increasing epidemics of health problems. At the Al Shifa hospital a constant increase in the percentage of children born with birth defects of about 60% was witnessed when the period of July to September 2008 was compared to the same period in 2009.[97][98] Local doctors point the finger at radioactive munition and white phosphorus used by Israel during the Gaza war. Dr. Mohammed Abu Shaban, director of the Blood Tumors Department in Al-Rantisy Hospital in Gaza has witnessed an increase in the number of cases of blood cancer. In March 2010 the department had seen 55 cases so far for that year, compared to the 20 to 25 cases normally seen in an entire year.[99]

    On top of this that ing bas Lieberman denies a humanitarian crisis, god some people are just ing stone hearted out there.

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    They were entering a blockaded area and were warned to go to Ashdod. Do you think the IDF just shot randomly and tried to kill people or do you think as they tried to board, they met resistance? Israel has said they'll take all the non-banned goods to Gaza. If they do, what will you say?

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    They probably had crayons on board.

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    They were entering a blockaded area and were warned to go to Ashdod. Do you think the IDF just shot randomly and tried to kill people or do you think as they tried to board, they met resistance? Israel has said they'll take all the non-banned goods to Gaza. If they do, what will you say?
    You forgot to mention the word "democracy" (whatever that means).
    You are supposed to type it in every pro-israeli propaganda message, in order to get a refund.
    "Western civilization" is also well percieved, but I don't think they add a bonus for that.

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    Turkey pissed that they tried to cross a blockade and got some of their people killed? Turkey is dumb if they didn't realize there are other ways to get supplies to Gaza. You'd think for all the talk of getting into the EU, they wouldn't do stupid but there you go.

    I'm not saying Israel is 100 correct, but people don't pet lions cuz they look like pussy cats. It's a ing lion!

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    Ridiculous.

    I have long been a defender of Israel, but this attack is a monstrous war crime that the soldiers and those who gave them their orders should have to pay for.

    It's wrong to board a boat full of unarmed people and summarily begin shooting them, unless they show violent intent to harm. I doubt that's the case at all here.

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    Ridiculous.

    I have long been a defender of Israel, but this attack is a monstrous war crime that the soldiers and those who gave them their orders should have to pay for.

    It's wrong to board a boat full of unarmed people and summarily begin shooting them, unless they show violent intent to harm. I doubt that's the case at all here.
    Why?

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    I don't feel like rehashing the entire argument. There was a thread about this a year or two ago that was tens of pages long in this forum that I posted several times to.

    To make my position clearer, I defend a lot of actions that both sides take, and criticize a fair share as well.

    I think they're unfortunately in a no-win situation thrust upon them by a group of nations that had no idea what it was doing when they meddled in the Middle East.

    It's an extremely unfortunate situation without much of a real answer.

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    I don't feel like rehashing the entire argument. There was a thread about this a year or two ago that was tens of pages long in this forum that I posted several times to.

    To make my position clearer, I defend a lot of actions that both sides take, and criticize a fair share as well.

    I think they're unfortunately in a no-win situation thrust upon them by a group of nations that had no idea what it was doing when they meddled in the Middle East.

    It's an extremely unfortunate situation without much of a real answer
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    This.

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    Israel. I hope Iran wipes them off the map one day. This tiny little patch of greedy, en led s is causing half if not more of the world's international tension/disputes. 'em.

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    Israel. I hope Iran wipes them off the map one day. This tiny little patch of greedy, en led s is causing half if not more of the world's international tension/disputes. 'em.
    You want some cheese with that whine?

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    You want some cheese with that whine?
    Shouldn't you be at a rest stop gloryhole right now you got ?

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    You forgot to mention the word "democracy" (whatever that means).
    You are supposed to type it in every pro-israeli propaganda message, in order to get a refund.
    "Western civilization" is also well percieved, but I don't think they add a bonus for that.
    Well done not responding to a single point in my post.

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    Israel. I hope Iran wipes them off the map one day. This tiny little patch of greedy, en led s is causing half if not more of the world's international tension/disputes. 'em.
    And Israel is empowered by the US.

    Not sure how Iran running would be any better though.

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    "Attention! You are entering a blockaded area. Follow us to Ashdod or we will be forced to board your ships!"

    "No! We don't wanna!"

    "Um...well, since you put it that way, go right ahead!"

    "Thanks! By the way, do you guys have any extra knives? They're for Arts and Crafts for the kids."

    "Yeah we do! It's funny cuz we have too many knives! Take all you can. Do you guys know how to get to Gaza?"

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    JERUSALEM – Israeli police say 16 pro-Palestinian activists from a Gaza-bound flotilla have been sent to jail after a deadly confrontation at sea. Dozens of other activists are to be deported.

    Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld says the activists were taken ashore and were jailed in the southern desert town of Beersheba after refusing to identify themselves.

    Israeli naval commandos stopped the six-ship flotilla early Monday, setting off a fierce clash that killed nine activists.

    Israel has said it will deport the roughly 700 activists in the flotilla. But those who refuse to cooperate will be jailed. About 80 activists have been brought to shore so far.

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    "Attention! You are entering a blockaded area. Follow us to Ashdod or we will be forced to board your ships!"

    "No! We don't wanna!"

    "Um...well, since you put it that way, go right ahead!"

    "Thanks! By the way, do you guys have any extra knives? They're for Arts and Crafts for the kids."

    "Yeah we do! It's funny cuz we have too many knives! Take all you can. Do you guys know how to get to Gaza?"
    No "democracy", no money.
    Get it right!!!

    How about something like:
    "The people of Israel is the only democracy in the region.
    They command their army democratically.
    Their weapons are democracy-driven and can't do any harm.
    The people in Gaza are just a bunch of terrorists
    that elected, sorry, NOMINATED a terrorist organization to represent them.

    At $20 per word, time 2X per "terrorist(s),
    that's democracy 3X ($60) plus terrorist 2X.

    A total of $240 bucks, please.

    I forgot, you probably want to keep $239.

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    No "democracy", no money.
    Get it right!!!

    How about something like:
    "The people of Israel is the only democracy in the region.
    They command their army democratically.
    Their weapons are democracy-driven and can't do any harm.
    The people in Gaza are just a bunch of terrorists
    that elected, sorry, NOMINATED a terrorist organization to represent them.

    At $20 per word, time 2X per "terrorist(s),
    that's democracy 3X ($60) plus terrorist 2X.

    A total of $240 bucks, please.

    I forgot, you probably want to keep $239.
    You're doing really well bringing people around

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    JERUSALEM – Israeli police say 16 pro-Palestinian activists from a Gaza-bound flotilla have been sent to jail after a deadly confrontation at sea. Dozens of other activists are to be deported.

    Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld says the activists were taken ashore and were jailed in the southern desert town of Beersheba after refusing to identify themselves.

    Israeli naval commandos stopped the six-ship flotilla early Monday, setting off a fierce clash that killed nine activists.

    Israel has said it will deport the roughly 700 activists in the flotilla. But those who refuse to cooperate will be jailed. About 80 activists have been brought to shore so far.
    Let's look at the bright side of the story.
    Israel has NOT declared war to the "activists-terrorists" countries of origin.

    Not yet.

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    I wonder if temujin has even read the articles about this.

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    You're doing really well bringing people around

    I admit your folks are getting your task almost impossible.

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    I admit your folks are getting your task almost impossible.
    Learn english + debate and then we can talk, k champ?

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    I wonder if temujin has even read the articles about this.
    I wonder whether you can make the case of OTHER ships coming to the same shores some 65 years ago.

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