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Certainly you have to add the KobeHater Modifier...
If the Lakers win... Pau is a top 10 all time and MVPau.
If the Lakers lose... Pau is a puss and doesn't sniff the top 50 and it was Kobe's fault.
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Not even close to being in the discussion currently and personally, I think the wheels are going to fall of this Lakers team faster than expected. Bryant and Fisher, in particular, can not keep essentially cheating age. At some point, one of their top six will miss the playoffs and it'll come after the trade deadline, so there won't be some mysterious trade that not only softens the blow, but is actually an upgrade from that player. That, or some of these guys will flat out run out of gas or run into a particular team that matches up well with them (if the Spurs land Splitter and bring in one wing player to provide solid 3D, then they'd instantly become that team). Something will happen.
This is a vulnerable, thin team, that has gotten by the past three seasons because no one in the West could match up with them, they've had extreme luck when it comes to game winners/close games/key players on other contenders being injury and subsequently getting a relatively easy path. But they're not the juggernaut that many in the media make them out to be.
So, I don't think Gasol will put together quite the resume some may think he will. Even if he put together the resume Harlem brought up, it's not like that's drastically different than Parker's. Would anyone consider him even close to a top 50 player? No. In fact, if you mentioned his name in that class, you'd be laughed at. Why should it be any different for Gasol?
Certainly you have to add the KobeHater Modifier...
If the Lakers win... Pau is a top 10 all time and MVPau.
If the Lakers lose... Pau is a puss and doesn't sniff the top 50 and it was Kobe's fault.
hmmm you have a GREAT point.
But but but you instantly became that team when you obtained !!!! No?
A Kobe comment is like your dinner bell.
Find a direct quote from me where I said that.
I felt he would bring the Spurs closer to the Lakers and even though it may not have seemed like he did, I felt he did. Not him singlehandedly, of course, but I thought he closed the gap some.
The fact of the matter is I knew after the Spurs off season additions that they still didn't matchup all that well with the Lakers front line. But Splitter, theoretically, should help a great deal in that regard. If they get the wing player they need (we're not talking star here, just someone adequate; a notch up from Bogans/Mason) and stay healthy, I think at minimum they'd give the Lakers their toughest test in the West since acquiring Gasol.
Roughly the first two thirds of the Spurs season was essentially an extended training camp. Next season, the big three will all enter a season healthy and rested. Plus, Parker and Jefferson will be in contract years, Hill and Blair figure to be improved and Jefferson, McDyess and Blair will be more comfortable from day one. There's a lot to like going into next season. Obviously, nothing is guaranteed, but I'm encouraged (assuming Splitter signs), more so than I was going into last season.
I enjoy the bantar and defending a player on the team I support. What am I self conscious about?
A Kobe comment is like your dinner bell.
Please show me one thread I started with Kobe as the topic. ONE!
He's not my fave Laker. And though I have tremendous respect for his basketball skills and work ethic, I still think he's an egotistical prima donna like the majority of NBA players. I just respond to the haters and their repe ive jibberish and have fun doing so. He is going to finish as one of the all time greats and that can only mean more ships for my team. That it or I bother the likes of Harlem/Chris/Miami and now apparently you, is just a bonus.
Last edited by cobbler; 06-02-2010 at 08:12 PM.
You are self conscious about something because you feel the need to defend Kobe against any and all things. Even if it is obvious trolling.
The Spurs go as far as Duncan. He's run out of gas the past couple seasons and/or been hurt.
He's already to the age where hoping for a renaissance is really defying the odds.
I just don't see a lot of hope for improvement for the Spurs next season. Their best hope IMO is for bad luck for the Lakers, Blazers, Thunder, Mavs, etc. Not impossible, Lord knows the Blazers have had their share along with the Rockets.
Feel the need. Nope. Enjoy pissing off the haters and showing them for the fools they are. Absolutely!
Why do you care?
Gasol will be in the Hall of Fame if the Lakers win more les.
no.
Just an observation.
They always have and that's because he didn't have enough help. If the Spurs sign Splitter and Blair improves, he'll finally have legitimate help on the front line (throw in McDyess, as well). Duncan has "run out of gas" because the Spurs were asking him to do things that they shouldn't be at this point in his career. Like Garnett with the Celtics, if he's able to play a reduced role and not be counted on as much, he can still play, only unlike Garnett, he can play at or close to an elite level.
The Spurs don't need a renaissance from him. Why can the Celtics get by without a prototypical go-to scorer on a championship caliber team and do it by committee with Pierce, Rondo, Allen and Garnett, but the Spurs can't with Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Hill and Jefferson? I don't get why this is so difficult for people to fathom.
The hope for improvement is exactly what I detailed in my previous post. Not just as a fan do I hope they sign Splitter and add a veteran wing to provide 3D, but just to be able to tell people "I told you so", I hope they do. I honestly think if they do that and remain healthy, like I said, at minimum they give the Lakers their toughest test in the West since acquiring Gasol.
How could Gasol be a Top 50 player? He's basically been a sometime-y All-NBA third teamer for his career so far.
It's like asking if Scottie Pippen was a Top 50 player after the Bulls won their first championship. The answer was no. He was just getting started. 5 seasons later of Pippen adding All-NBA first teams and All-Defense first teams to his resume signifying himself as a Top 5 player on both ends of the floor resulted in him getting a Top 50 player nod. If Gasol can duplicate that body of work he'll get his due credit.
he's what 29-30? if he does what he's doing now for another 4-5 seasons, probably.
I think he will be regardless, in fact with what he has done, he may already be in.
I would tend to believe you would do the same if it was Timmy or another star spur being dissected on a daily basis. I only reply!
Agreed. However, HOF and top 50 are 2 different animals.
btw, to say top-50, as it if justifies anything, is sort of obsolete. bunch of guys that are in today's game that will probably be on it when all is said an done, thereby changing the list. it's not an immutable list by any means, which is why it's a stupid list to create if your're not going to say "the top 50 bball players of all-time until blah blah year."
No
half the people who argue top 50 stupid to begin with because they're never even seen half of those guys play lmao.
Yeah, that "top 50 of all-time" is pretty stupid.
i never even knew people used it in the first place to argue about anything since most people can't track the NBA as far back as it goes, and the list isn't stable. it's re ed.
and this is the with Chris Bosh too
he's good enough to be a #2 option on a championship team. He's just pissed away his career in Toronto, just like KG did in Minny. If KG never went to Boston, KG would have been forgotten in history and labeled a loser.
This is unfair bull because they played on ty teams.
Same deal with Gasol. The Grizzlies SUCK and always have sucked, but Gasol took unfair heat. Now he is on the Lakers, now people realize he was always a really good NBA talent, just like Kobe is.
Don't hate.
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