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I wasn't, but I had family at the airport when Israel was bombing it.
I couldn't tell if that was sarcasm or genuine ...
You're a lot more optimistic than I am that this will change people's minds. , Turkey came out and said it wasn't suspending joint-Israeli military operations/cooperation even after the activists got popped.
I wasn't, but I had family at the airport when Israel was bombing it.
I couldn't tell if that was sarcasm or genuine ...
I had family in the garden of eden. Adam told her not to eat the apple but Eve did it anyways. We all were ed for that call.
how is the snake related to you?
A concentration camp where the "prisoners" fire thousands of rockets at their "captors" and dress their children in lovely suicide vests.
Yes, it's a concentration camp. Just like that flotilla was a humanitarian mission.
cornered people that are treated like animals will fight, darrin.
If I'm ever cornered, I don't plan on strapping bombs to my kids.
By the way, don't you think the Pals treat their kids like animals?
Sorry, is this how the everyday people live in Gaza?
Do you think the average person over there wants to strap a bomb to their child?
we can re-visit that if the scenario develops.
they're already animals, darrin.By the way, don't you think the Pals treat their kids like animals?
Actually, probably not. I just took issue with someone calling Gaza a concentration camp. I also disagree with the notion that Palestinians are just cornered victims acting in self-defense.
Do people realize how many rockets have been fired from Gaza over the years?
Here are numbers from 2008 alone:
gee, i wonder why that happens.
And I have long been a supporter of Israel as they defend themselves against attack. How many have those rockets/mortars killed, anyway? They're dumbfire projectiles with almost no calculable trajectory, at least with the equipment being used in Gaza.
That isn't the issue here. I'm talking about the everyday lives of people who live in Gaza. How many of them are responsible for firing rockets? Are you going to take WC's position and suddenly decide that you personally know how much humanitarian aid those people need?
From Free Gaza:Actually, probably not. I just took issue with someone calling Gaza a concentration camp. I also disagree with the notion that Palestinians are just cornered victims acting in self-defense.
Do people realize how many rockets have been fired from Gaza over the years?
Here are numbers from 2008 alone:
Medical supplies and what else? Funny how in November they were firing mortars and rockets again.October 2008 sailing
The second sailing occurred in late October. The movement's 66-foot yacht, named Dignity, arrived at a Gaza port on October 29. The ship carried 26 activists and medical supplies.
Coincidence? I doubt it.
i guess you think they've fired all their mortars. lol
Didn't Israel inspect the ship? Why are they so lax with their inspection methods?
Do you think Ireland is sending weapons to Gaza?
IMO, that makes it even worse. They don't know who they might kill. They just hope they kill an Israeli.
If you really want to know what motivates Palestinians, just listen the people interviewed at the end of this video (about 6:30 in).
They never stopped firing that year, if you look at the graph. The only reason that it dipped down in June was because Hamas signed a cease-fire and the blockade was supposed to be lifted by the agreement. Hamas obviously didn't stop firing, and Israel reportedly was still allowing in only very few goods.
Considering that Hamas was actually raiding humanitarian aid trucks and distribution centers by January 2009, I would say it's pretty clear they didn't have unfettered access to such aid.
Ultimately Israel always had the right to inspect the vessels if they have any doubts.
How many times must I say this.
You cannot inspect every nook and cranny of a ship in any timely manner. That is why the ships are diverted, and the cargo unloaded and inspected in controlled conditions.
Why is this so difficult to comprehend?
No .
Aim for one building and hit a grade school. They're OK with that?
Maybe we should call Cry Havok, Hitler?
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There's no justification for Hamas. They're a de able terrorist organization.
That doesn't mean that 1.5 million people have to suffer while combating it. Looking for a better solution is simply the right thing to do.
And you know this because?
What's your expertise in maritime inspections?
Are you aware that ships like that one are inspected in the high seas all the time?
What if that was just a ploy because they were running out and didn't know if they would get resupplied? Keep an open mind, or you will continue to fall into the traps.
Yes, the people are suffering from internal forces. Not external.
They also have the right to enforce the blockade. Sorry if your antisemitic bias doesn't allow you to see it.
Maybe. The Egyptian border was open too though. What evidence you have that mortar/rockets supplies entered from one direction and not the other?
I would ask you to keep an open mind while you get educated too, but I'm well aware you're not interested in that.
'Internal forces' doesn't create the list of goods that are 'allowed'. So, they're suffering both from internal and external.
There was no blockade at that time (the agreement, remember?). And even WITH the blockade, they can still request to inspect the ships in the sea.
Please stop with such stupid statement. Think about inspecting individual crates of cargo in a known warehouse vs. inspecting the same cargo plus every nook and cranny of a ship, without cutting holes in every bulkhead to look for hidden weapons. You have to cut an unknown ship up for a proper inspection before it unloads outside your control.
Any concept how a ship is constructed?
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