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Marion was a product of D'antoni's gimmick system. Amar'e has proven he can play in a decent system this year.
Except he can't rebound for .
I wonder if this thought comes across GM's minds that much. I think most suns fans assume he'll walk deep inside, but you have think... Did people see what happened to Marion? Not able to create his own shots, went from AS to a decent sub.
Amare in the post can create offense, but half his offense comes from pick and rolls and kickouts from Nash.
I also wonder if this crosses his mind that much, that he needs to go to a team with a passing point guard. With that in mind I can't think of many. Chris Paul, perhaps Deron Wiliams?
Marion was a product of D'antoni's gimmick system. Amar'e has proven he can play in a decent system this year.
Except he can't rebound for .
How much is Gasol worth without Kobe and Bynum/ Odom front-court?
Now all of a sudden he's the best big man in the game.
Amare won rookie of the year and averaged 20+ points in his 2nd season with Marbury/Barbosa at PG, and he didn't seem to need Nash at all against OKC this year. To say Amare needs a passing PG is ludicrous, as is the comparison to Shawn " made" Marion. If Amare wants to win a championship, it'd be moronic to go to a PG oriented team when they never win championships.
Amare is no longer a great pick and roll scorer, IMO his pick and roll scoring actually got worse this year. Post AS break, Amare was getting all of his points off isos and put backs. Against LA they were getting no production out of the pick and roll, Amare was doing well on offense when isoed against Gasol.
Riddle me this Sunsfan: How can a guy with as much athleticism as Amare be such a medicore defender and rebounder? I just don't get it, he has all the tools.
He's lazy, he's surrounded by teammates who don't play D, and for the better part of his career he had a coach who told him defense doesn't matter.
As good as Gentry has been, he still hasn't held players accountable enough. When the Suns have a ty night defensively, Gentry should be holding a 3 hour practice the next day. When Hill, Frye and Amare act like high school players, you need to treat them like high school players.
He's had the jumper for awhile now. That's the one thing you develop well under D'antoni: your jumper. Everything else (defense, rebounding, off the dribble ability when you're not a PG) goes to .
I think Nash is not the main thing that might devalue him elsewhere...
-he was in a contract year and had bad rebounding numbers and even worse numbers (in more minutes) in the playoffs... UNACCEPTABLE for a team that aspires to win a championship
-he is a bad defender with below average size at PF
-he has bad knees and had some tough luck with his eyes
-his game is based on his sick athleticism which will only get worse each year (see: KG)
-he is a below average passer for a bigman
If I would be a GM I wouldn't offer him more than 10mil a year, but as this is the NBA where players like Rashard Lewis and Gilbert Arenas can get HUGE contracts; meaning: Amare can too.
Him beeing nice has as many good effects on the team as it has bad ones.
I am pretty sure that Dragic wouldn't evolve very well under a strict coach like Popovich because his confidence would be shattered...
Amare has proven he can be a very good scoring big man in the league even without Nash. Nash definitely helps, but Amare would still score with a crap point guard.
If Amare played in the even more wide open offense in Golden State, Amare could easily put up:
35 PPG
4.5 RPG
0.33 BPG
-0.75 APG
50% FG
True, twixt Porter over a year ago & The Machine the other night Dragic was in the high cotton.
Dragic is an example of someone who doesn't need the coach to be a hard ass. A good coach knows how to push players' buttons, Gentry is just too nice which works really well with certain players but works terribly with players like Barbosa.
By no means do I want Gentry fired, but I'm hoping he adjusts his coaching style with the added experience.
Mle, imo
Barbosa doesn't have a problem with coaching or motivation. I think Barbosa's troubles are directly related to being around a guy like Amare. Sometimes being constantly around stupid makes you more stupid. Jason Richardson has developed some Amare stupidity. It's amazing Nash hasn't. Stupidity by osmosis. Suns should be careful with guys like Dudley and Dragic and make sure they don't hang around Amare too much if he stays, or at least wear surgical masks when they are with him.
Bull . Barbosa is plenty stupid on his own. Amare has nothing to do with the fact Barbosa has done nothing to improve his game since 2007, that's all on him. He's simply gotten too complacent and comfortable in Phoenix.
Stupidity by osmosis can actually be pinned on Barbosa. Since he came back from injury, Dragic, Amundson and Hill have developed a lot of stupid habits that are similar to what Barbosa does.
Amare is a talented, but limited player. You don't pay max money to those type of players. He is worth the same with or without Nash, which is less than max.
People really are harping on this "he's not worth the max" thing. No one ever said he was worth the max, but in today's NBA, he's undeniably a player who will get a max contract. You can make the case that no one other than Lebron James and Kobe Bryant are "worth the max", that doesn't mean they're the only players who get the max.
True.
I think the point is that the team that pays the max to Amare will be harming the franchise more than helping it.
Depends. If the team giving him the contract knows the player he is and can successfully build a championship with him as one of the main pieces, then they are probably fine with overpaying him knowing that's just life in the NBA. The Lakers are probably overpaying Odom, Gasol and Bynum right now, but they know it's better to be overpaying those players then having them on another team.
On the flip side, if he's given a max contract by a team that expects him to be a franchise player and put a team on his back, then yeah, that's more harm than good.
I have agreed with that point overall and have argued there are tiers of players. Obviously, there is a "max money" tier of player. Now within that tier you will get varying return on investment. A guy like Lebron or Kobe will obviously be the best. Then a guy like Bosh will be at the bottom of that.
I just disagree that Amare is even in that tier. I think he is on the outside looking in.
Bosh is no better than Amare. If Bosh was in that tier, he woulda been able to make the playoffs this year, his supporting cast wasn't that bad.
It's difficult to come up with situations where you can add Amare for the max and have him serve as a complimentary piece on a contender. Not impossible, but not easy.
Much more likely that the team that gives him that max contract will expect him to function as a franchise player. He won't live up to that expectation.
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