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LeBron and Whistle are in a tier of their own. If the max is only reserved for the top tier of players they're the only ones worthy.
Yes, he is.
LeBron and Whistle are in a tier of their own. If the max is only reserved for the top tier of players they're the only ones worthy.
Uh, Kobe?
I don't think it is a huge difference, but I think Bosh is an overall better player.
No one is saying that. Catch up.
His defense is just as soft as Amare's if not softer, and there's a point every season where his pussy flares up. Other than rebounding (and FYI Bosh has a career average of .5 more RPG than Amare, negligible difference) Amare is just as good as or better than Bosh.
Also, I am not saying it can't be argued. I also think Bosh will be the same problem as Amare with regards to paying him and expecting him to be the main guy.
Lets put it this way, if you listen to all the GM"s talking, they all want Bosh over Amare. That right there tells you their value.
Neither one will ever be the best player on a championship team.
You can't place either one in a clear-cut tier over the other, way too close in ability. There is nothing Bosh gives a team that Amare doesn't give. Amare is a slightly better offensive player, they both equally suck at defense, and Bosh is a slightly better rebounder. Maybe the GMs find Bosh more intriguing because they know he's not returning to the Raptors or because of Amare's knee, but Bosh isn't better than Amare. If he was, he'd be able to lead his team to a better record than 40-42.
That alone is a good reason to avoid a six year investment in Amare.
That is faulty logic. And even though Bosh is not a good defender, he is better than Amare there as well. The market will tell you who is better. There is a reason people have Bosh higher than Amare. There is a reason the Raptors want Bosh back and the Suns have been trying to trade Amare and are hesitant to sign him to the max.
People also know Amare is not returning to the Suns. I would say that situation is about the same.
If Bosh told Toronto he wanted the max and he would stay, they would sign him today.
I don't disagree. But to say Bosh is better than Amare to the point where he's in a tier Amare isn't in is laughable.
- Same amount of AS appearances
- Bosh has 0 All NBA 1st team awards, Amare has 1
- Bosh has 1 All NBA 2nd team award, Amare has 3
- neither one has ever sniffed a birth on an all NBA defensive team
- Amare almost always wins the matchup with Bosh, for all the Bosh and Howard knob slobbing and Amare hate, neither one of them ever noticeably outplays Amare.
So TP is better than Rose by a damn long shot if you want to use that logic. That is not what I heard some people saying though. Only when the argument suits them.
I said Amare is not in the tier. I said Bosh is at the bottom. I did not say Amare is MLE and Bosh is clearly a max player.
I agree with that.
Bosh is a much safer investment primarily because of the health factor. Amare also has a penchant for doing and saying stupid things. That also will factor into a team's decision to tie up so much money for such a long period of time.
Toronto was the worst defensive team in the NBA this year, Bosh is a defender. Bryan Colangelo's career in a nuts is overpaying players just so the team can stay marginally compe ive, plus chances are he's out as GM if Bosh leaves. If Bosh left and Amare went to Toronto saying he'd sign for the max, they'd hop on that ASAP. It's simply two franchises run differently. Meanwhile, Toronto's fanbase hates Bosh and I've seen several Raptors message boards where their fans say they would trade Bosh for Amare any day of the week.
Not sure where you're getting the idea Amare isn't returning to the Suns. Reportedly his agent and Kerr are about to start renegotiating an extension, there is probably a 40% chance he's returning to the Suns, while Bosh quit on Toronto and can't wait to pack his bags, there's a 0% chance he's going back to Toronto. He's every bit as much of an egocentric prick as Amare is, and way more of a quitter too.
I'll say it again, if Bosh was anymore worthy of a max extension than Amare, he would have been able to lead his team to the playoffs in the Leastern conference.
So you think Amare would have done better with the Raptors than Bosh if you just swap them out?
I get Amare not returning to the Suns from the same place you are getting Bosh not returning to the Raptors, although Bosh has never come out and said "I have probably played my last game as a Raptor" like Amare has with the Suns.
Rose put his team on his back and led them to the playoffs. Bosh quit on his team and they missed the playoffs. I don't get how they are comparable.
Ummmmmm, Rose won 1 more game in the same conference than the Raptors. For a guy who trying to argue that you can't separate Bosh and Amare bc they are too close, you are sure weighting heavily a one game difference.
Alsoat saying Bosh quit on his team. There you go again throwing wild accusations around.
Amare never made a twitter status about which team he should sign with. That's great taking things out of context when the only reason Amare said that were rampant trade rumors he had no control over. It's not like he said that for no reason. Last I checked, that wasn't his last game as a Sun.
And yes, I think Amare would have done better with the Raptors. They would have won a few more games that they lost because Bosh missed 12 games due to a injury, and they would have snuk in as the 8 seed.
Ummmmmm, Rose won 1 more game in the same conference than the Raptors. For a guy who trying to argue that you can't separate Bosh and Amare bc they are too close, you are sure weighting heavily a one game difference.
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The 5 game losing streak Toronto went on at the end of the season is how Chicago ended up stealing their playoff spot. It certainly didn't help Bosh basically missed 4 of those 5 games.
What does that have to do with you saying "Rose put his team on his back.." & "Bosh sucks because he can't lead his team to better than 40 wins.." when Rose's team won only 1 more damn game?
Also, this is classic ST logic:
1)Any team that does not win a le is a choker.
2)Any player that misses a game is a quitter.
3)Any team that loses a playoff game has no heart.
Of course it hurt Toronto that Bosh was out. He was injured. Point is, I said Amare vs Bosh is arguable, but I think Bosh is better than Amare all things considered.
Bosh said he did not give Toronto a list. So you cannot point to that. There is no doubt Amare said this was his last game as a Sun, and it was not just one time he said that.
Well can you blame the guy for that? He was in trade rumours all the time, he expected he was going to be traded. At that point it was almost the equivalent to saying the sky is blue. It's not like he said it's his last game because he demanded a trade or didn't want to play for the Suns or something that negative as you're trying to make it look.
He's taking what Amare said out of context knowing that it's ridiculous.
yeah, the major declines of KG, Shaq, Duncan, and the injury proneness of Yao have nothing to do with it.
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