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    Whatever.

    The sketch has blond hair of two kids. the mural has darker skin, without blond hair. Did the artist change actual students looks, causing the stir maybe? This is suppose to represent actual students, then the artist changes the students. I read an article that said none of the children were white. I could be in error, but I really don't know.

    Here is one pic I could find:



    The kid with the afro in the concept is now Hispanic rather than African-American. Could the racial slurs be coming from blacks because the final product was changed to Hispanic?

    Where's the blond hair on the kid on the bike, and the bike is changed too. The pose of the black/hispanic is changed.

    When you change an approved design, maybe it's not the mural that being called racist, but the painter!

    I haven't found any quotes of the slurs, have you? The articles make everyone assume the slurs are coming from whites. What if they aren't?

    Remember the black tea party guy with the rifle, being called a racist against blacks?
    You're a complete idiot.

    You made up a bull argument and were proved to be full of .

    Your response?

    Claim the painter is racist against re bent bikes.

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    Hmmm. I might be going out on a limb here, but I think the kid on the bike might be wearing a, what is it called, oh yea...A ING BIKE HELMET!!!
    I think you're right.

    Would you agree the design on paper you showed represents a black guy in the center, but a Hispanic in the final rendering?

    Would you agree the other children seen are changed?

    Would you agree parental permission was given before the design implemented, and that maybe the parents are angry for changing their children depiction, possible calling the artist a racist?

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    Yes, the people who said get the N-word off the mural were angry that the black looking kid from the sketch was replaced with a Mao-looking Latino.

    The councilman who questioned why the black kid was in the center of the finished mural was angry that it was a Latino.

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    I think you're right.

    Would you agree the design on paper you showed represents a black guy in the center, but a Hispanic in the final rendering?

    Would you agree the other children seen are changed?

    Would you agree parental permission was given before the design implemented, and that maybe the parents are angry for changing their children depiction, possible calling the artist a racist?
    We haven't been able to find pics of the entire finished mural before and after skin changes, but the "approved" piece was definately different when it comes to the centerpiece. The hispanic kid turned out looking like black Mao (we all thought he was black, the article had to tell us he was hispanic), no telling what they did to our precious white children.

    Parental permission was definately needed, but they aren't going to go saying ###### and as a result of skin needing to be lighter or whatever.

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    Yes, the people who said get the N-word off the mural were angry that the black looking kid from the sketch was replaced with a Mao-looking Latino.
    Do you have a direct quote?
    The councilman who questioned why the black kid was in the center of the finished mural was angry that it was a Latino.
    In the paper illustration, he does look angry. Have a direct quote in context? The finished mural has the center figure clearly as Hispanic.

    Why are you so stupid. I am mostly offering possibilities. Are you so bigoted, you can only see one viewpoint?

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    Parental permission was definately needed, but they aren't going to go saying ###### and as a result of skin needing to be lighter or whatever.
    Well, I could only find reference to three incidence of racial slurs. We all know that racism is real, and again, I think in my first posting, that's not a bad number for the population.

    have you seen more than three accounts of racial slurs?

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    Do you have a direct quote?
    Yes, they had cameras and parabolic mics running on passersby 24-7.

    In the paper illustration, he does look angry.
    In this post, you do look like a complete idiot.

    Have a direct quote in context? The finished mural has the center figure clearly as Hispanic.
    Didn't you read a dozen articles about this, WC?

    "I am not a racist individual," Blair said on a radio show last month, "but I will tell you depicting a black guy in the middle of that mural, based upon who's President of the United States today and based upon the history of this community, when I grew up we had four black families - who I have been very good friends with for years - to depict the biggest picture on that building as a black person, I would have to ask the question, 'Why?'"

    The "black guy" in the mural is based on a student of Mexican descent, a school official said.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz0q0cmYdID


    Why are you so stupid. I am mostly offering possibilities. Are you so bigoted, you can only see one viewpoint?
    Why are you so stupid? I am showing that your made up is made up .

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    Hispanic isn't a race.
    The U.S. Office of Management and Budget currently defines "Hispanic or Latino" as "a person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race"

    I'm from Spain and I'm white and my hair is blond.Gasol is from Spain too.But i guess we could be hispanics in USA because we are from a country of spanish culture. At the same time we are white because we have origins in Europe.



    People in the mural can be white and they could be hispanic too.

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    Hispanic isn't a race.
    The U.S. Office of Management and Budget currently defines "Hispanic or Latino" as "a person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race"

    I'm from Spain and I'm white and my hair is blond.Gasol is from Spain too.But i guess we could be hispanics in USA because we are from a country of spanish culture. At the same time we are white because we have origins in Europe.



    People in the mural can be white and they could be hispanic too.
    Aren't all spaniards caucasians? Isn't that fact part of the idiocy of calling them a different race?

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    Why are you so stupid? I am showing that your made up is made up .

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    white folks is crazy

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    Aren't all spaniards caucasians? Isn't that fact part of the idiocy of calling them a different race?
    The Iberian peninsula has historically seen a lot of traffic between itself and North African countries (including a long Moorish occupation), so my guess would be no.

    By the same token, all of Europe (and the rest of the world, for that matter) has experienced large waves of miscegenation over time, so -- assuming the paradigm of static racial iden ies was ever useful -- it's really starting seem outdated and cartoonishly simplistic considering the world we live in.

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    The Iberian peninsula has historically seen a lot of traffic between itself and North African countries (including a long Moorish occupation), so my guess would be no.

    By the same token, all of Europe (and the rest of the world, for that matter) has experienced large waves of miscegenation over time, so -- assuming the paradigm of static racial iden ies was ever useful -- it's really starting seem outdated and cartoonishly simplistic considering the world we live in.
    Nonsense.

    white=neutral

    dark complected=race

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    Nonsense.

    white=neutral

    dark complected=race
    Ah, yes... I always forget.

    Good to see the Wino about, btw.

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    Paint it black...


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    the irony here is that now WC is promoting diversity.

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    Aren't all spaniards caucasians? Isn't that fact part of the idiocy of calling them a different race?
    a big percentage of them is mixed with Moors.

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    Aren't all spaniards caucasians? Isn't that fact part of the idiocy of calling them a different race?

    this is a perfect example of why there is the need for latin american or hispanic american studies classes.

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    this is a perfect example of why there is the need for latin american or hispanic american studies classes.
    Is something EVAY stated factually incorrect?

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    Is something EVAY stated factually incorrect?
    well technically he did not state anything but his question certainly was odd. it would have been like asking "aren't all americans caucasians?".

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    the irony here is that now WC is promoting diversity.
    When have I never been in favor of it?

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    When have I never been in favor of it?
    surgeons.

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    Wow...

    After all this time, you fail to understand the point I was making. I have never been against diversity. I am against quota systems.

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