Iphone HD Leak !!!! LMAO

[Cry Havoc]

First part is the responsibility of AT&T and Apple to properly educate their customers.

And as you've mentioned, AT&T has such a stellar reputation for looking out for their customer's best interests.

Netflix will almost surely require WiFi. As well as any other HD streaming

Regardless, this is the era of videos on cell phones. Why have a screen like that if you're just going to download 320x240 videos on youtube? It makes no sense. Wifi basically tethers you to a router that you need the password for, or you have to pay network fees wherever you go to get the signal. I'll take 4G and just stream HD video via the cell phone towers, thanks.

[lefty]

I really think the iPhone 4 looks great, but I seriously don't think it will be considered top of the line in a year.

Great screen, and great camera, but it's a 3G phone. In a year, 4G will be going up in quite a few cities. Regardless of how fast the iPhone processor is, it won't be able to pull network data like a 4G phone, and therefore is going to be left behind as far as super high-speed internet connectivity goes, to say nothing of AT&T's ludicrous bandwidth caps.



Considering how much money they stand to make from people going over their bandwidth caps, it's hard to see why they wouldn't do this. 200 megs to an iPhone is absolutely nothing. It's 3 CDs worth of data, just over 2 CDs at a high bitrate.

Isnt the new Iphone supposed to be 4G ?

[Sisk]

And as you've mentioned, AT&T has such a stellar reputation for looking out for their customer's best interests.

Was waiting for this response, but my point still stands, and it's still their responsibility.

Regardless, this is the era of videos on cell phones. Why have a screen like that if you're just going to download 320x240 videos on youtube? It makes no sense. Wifi basically tethers you to a router that you need the password for, or you have to pay network fees wherever you go to get the signal. I'll take 4G and just stream HD video via the cell phone towers, thanks.

Enjoy.

[AnthonyM]

As opposed to being completely left in the dust, like today's 3G phones will be once 4G starts to crank.

You're comparing one phone to a whole market of phones.

Of course 3G phones will be left behind once 4G really gets going, but that includes tons of phones that run on the 3G network. The iPhone is only one phone, and to say it won't be on top in one year and using evolution of 4G as your example doesn't make make much sense since no phone will be able to stay on top for a year anymore because of Android and the way all other phones have caught up.

[Sisk]

Isnt the new Iphone supposed to be 4G ?

No

[lefty]

ONLY over Wifi, and ONLY to other iPhones.

Huge advantage to the Evo for now, which supports video calling over 3G, 4G, and Wifi.

FaceTime is what Apple calls video calls over the iPhone 4. If you don’t want the person you’re calling to see your mug, or perhaps you just want them to see what you’re looking at, you can switch from the front-facing camera to the 5MP camera on the back. For now it’s Wi-Fi only, but past 2010 it should branch out into 3G/4G

[lefty]

No

Then Apple

Next year they will release another Iphone, this time 4G

[Sisk]

Then Apple

Well, it's on AT&T as well for not having the network.

Next year they will release another Iphone, this time 4G

Correct

[Cry Havoc]

Isnt the new Iphone supposed to be 4G ?

Nope.

You're comparing one phone to a whole market of phones.

There are several 4G phones slated for release this year. The Evo is just the first. The Samsung Galaxy looks excellent and might even be superior to the Evo. Considering that many have held the iPhone as the "gold-standard" of cell phones, and will inevitably be comparing it to the other top-end phones on the market, the 4G vs. 3G bears mentioning in a discussion.

Of course 3G phones will be left behind once 4G really gets going, but that includes tons of phones that run on the 3G network. The iPhone is only one phone, and to say it won't be on top in one year and using evolution of 4G as your example doesn't make make much sense since no phone will be able to stay on top for a year anymore because of Android and the way all other phones have caught up.

Again, I'm referring to the fact that the iPhone has been the best phone in the US since it was released in 2007. The fact that this new one is 3G only and bandwidth limited by AT&T means, IMO, that this is no longer the case, and that it's slipped to 2nd or 3rd best, behind the Evo and maybe the Incredible. Although the iPhone could very well prove better than either.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

The iPhone is only one phone, and to say it won't be on top in one year and using evolution of 4G as your example doesn't make make much sense since no phone will be able to stay on top for a year anymore because of Android and the way all other phones have caught up.

that

[lefty]

Well, it's on AT&T as well for not having the network.



Correct

Let's say I get the Iphone 4 on a contract basis, how much it will cost me if I want to upgrade to the 4G model?

[Sisk]

Let's say I get the Iphone 4 on a contract basis, how much it will cost me if I want to upgrade to the 4G model?

I'm so confused by this question..

$199 for 16GB
$299 for 32GB




If you're asking for 4G network coverage, it doesn't exist.

[AnthonyM]

There are several 4G phones slated for release this year. The Evo is just the first. The Samsung Galaxy looks excellent and might even be superior to the Evo. Considering that many have held the iPhone as the "gold-standard" of cell phones, and will inevitably be comparing it to the other top-end phones on the market, the 4G vs. 3G bears mentioning in a discussion.



Again, I'm referring to the fact that the iPhone has been the best phone in the US since it was released in 2007. The fact that this new one is 3G only and bandwidth limited by AT&T means, IMO, that this is no longer the case, and that it's slipped to 2nd or 3rd best, behind the Evo and the Incredible.

I do agree with you that at one point the iPhone was the gold standard of phones, but that time has since passed (the time where one phone could be held as the standard for so long) but it has for ANY phone that is out there.

So, saying the iPhone won't be on top for a year to knock it down isn't a fair argument because the same can be said of any phone that is out there. Take the Incredible, which was on top for all of 2 or 3 months until the Evo came out. It's just not plausible for any phone to be on top as long as the iPhone was because they were the innovators of everything back in '07.

I agree with you about it being behind because it's not on 4G (even though 4G is relatively young) but not because it can't stay on top for a year. Most phones nowadays will be outdated by 3 or 4 months.

[Cry Havoc]

how much it will cost me if I want to upgrade to the 4G model?

$199 and a 2 year agreement with Sprint for the Evo is the only way to get 4G in a phone right now.

[Cry Havoc]

I do agree with you that at one point the iPhone was the gold standard of phones, but that time has since passed (the time where one phone could be held as the standard for so long) but it has for ANY phone that is out there.

So, saying the iPhone won't be on top for a year to knock it down isn't a fair argument because the same can be said of any phone that is out there. Take the Incredible, which was on top for all of 2 or 3 months until the Evo came out. It's just not plausible for any phone to be on top as long as the iPhone was because they were the innovators of everything back in '07.

I agree with you about it being behind because it's not on 4G (even though 4G is relatively young) but not because it can't stay on top for a year. Most phones nowadays will be outdated by 3 or 4 months.

Well, the difference here is that (IMO of course) the iPhone 4 will be released and WON'T be the best phone available even at launch. In the past the iPhone has decimated everything with each launch of the new phone. Now it won't even be in 1st place as far as capabilities go. Still a phenomenal phone though, like I said, I recommended my girlfriend get one.

I'd say it goes:

Evo 4G
Iphone 4 = Incredible (Until we see all the new things the iPhone can do)
Then maybe the Nexus One

[lefty]

I'm so confused by this question..

$199 for 16GB
$299 for 32GB




If you're asking for 4G network coverage, it doesn't exist.

Sorry

I know that when the 3GS was released, those had a 3G on a contract (but still had a long way to go before the contract expires) could replace the 3G with the 3GS, paying fees.

Or am I wrong?

[Sisk]

Sorry

I know that when the 3GS was released, those had a 3G on a contract (but still had a long way to go before the contract expires) could replace the 3G with the 3GS, paying fees.

Or am I wrong?

You're right - iPhone users have always been able to upgrade early as long as they're upgrading to the new iPhone. It's still blurry right now as to if that will be possible this year. I'm asking a source at AT&T what they plans are on this as we speak, I'll let you know.

[PM5K]

I always find it funny that people try to say this phone is better than that phone when all of these phones are walking in the steps of the iPhone.

Having said that, specs aren't everything, and the iPhone 4 has similar specs in a lot of ways to these other phones, some features that are better, and some that aren't. I think the biggest downer for the iPhone is AT&T right now.

[lefty]

You're right - iPhone users have always been able to upgrade early as long as they're upgrading to the new iPhone. It's still blurry right now as to if that will be possible this year. I'm asking a source at AT&T what they plans are on this as we speak, I'll let you know.

Thanks, much appreciated

[Sisk]

Some videos available on engadget:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/a...eo-calling-ad/

[Sisk]

Thanks, much appreciated

Yes sir

[PM5K]

You're right - iPhone users have always been able to upgrade early as long as they're upgrading to the new iPhone. It's still blurry right now as to if that will be possible this year. I'm asking a source at AT&T what they plans are on this as we speak, I'll let you know.

You can upgrade if your eligibility date was before the end of this year, in some cases up to six months early.

[Sisk]

You can upgrade if your eligibility date was before the end of this year, in some cases up to six months early.

It is sounding like that, but in most cases that would screw people that upgraded immediately to the 3GS from the 3G which would change how Apple and AT&T have done it in the past. I'm checking with someone at AT&T how this will work

[Cry Havoc]

I always find it funny that people try to say this phone is better than that phone when all of these phones are walking in the steps of the iPhone.

Well, for years Nintendo owned the console market. Sony and Sega (and then Microsoft) were treading in their footsteps, and in many ways still are.

But what would you say about who's on top in the gaming world now? Sales will still point to Nintendo, but that's hardly reflective of who's making the best games with the best consoles.

[PM5K]

Well, for years Nintendo owned the console market. Sony and Sega (and then Microsoft) were treading in their footsteps, and in many ways still are.

But what would you say about who's on top in the gaming world now? Sales will still point to Nintendo, but that's hardly reflective of who's making the best games with the best consoles.

I'd still say Nintendo, it's all about making money. I wouldn't agree though that they treaded in their footsteps, they made totally different products as far as execution. That's what I'm saying about the iPhone. Before it came out how many phones had accelerometers, proximity sensors, full face touch screens, app stores, etc?