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Oh, no he didn't!
LOL, Jefferson is a 20 & 10 guy....would you care to tell us how many of those type of players currently play in the league
Phil is a jackass
Oh, no he didn't!
21_Pakis epic fail
When was the last time anyone heard about Kwame Brown? Myself when he was booed in LA and traded shortly thereafter.
Antoine Walker was a 20&10 player once. Shawn Marion, David Lee, Antawn Jamison, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Antonio McDyess, Zach Randolph, Carlos Boozer...
In any case, at the time he was a 16&11 player who played bad defense. Would you offer Luis Scola for a slightly-past-his-prime Garnett and call it fair?
Yeah, I mean, when the Lakers got Gasol they had to give up some good young talent...
Oh wait, they didn't.
Fair? Probably not. But at least we gave up five players, one of whom had promise (Al Jefferson) and one ok role player (Gerald Green). At least as fair as the Gasol trade. I don't see how Laker fans can about the Celtics trade, but I'll allow the fans of the 28 other teams.
I thought the celtic's trade wasn't really a rip off because Al Jefferson was on the verge of being a 20-10 big man at that time. Say what you want about hm averaging 20-10 that he is on a bad team blah blah the bottom line is 20-10 big guys don't go on trees they are actually hard to get in this league these days and the wolves were able to get one. On top of that Al was on pace to being an all-star up until he suffered his knee injuries. You can't say that Kwame,Crittenton, and even Marc Gasol will ever come close to playing on an all-star level. I have seen Marc play and he's very solid player but he's never going to be an all-star player I just don't see it happening. Basically the Lakers gave up 2 scrubs, a solid player in Marc for an all-star big man who is now a top 3 big in this league that to me is a huge rip off.
Every player you listed there is still about 10x better than Kwame ing Brown.
Al Jefferson was putting up around 20-10 on ridiculous efficiency post All-Star break that year..he was getting a lot of hype as an emerging player..not to say it was completely fair, but Minny received a very good young player out of it..
As Mel_13 wrote in a previous thread, Minny received Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Ratliff's huge expiring contract(which was their Kwame Brown of the deal, which is ridiculously funny), Telfair, Gerald Green(was also seen as a good prospect at the time, there was still hope for him), 2 1st round picks, one of them which was used to acquire their PG of the future in Johnny Flynn, and the other to acquire a decent rotation prospect in Wayne Ellington..
Another annoying thing is that Boston had to actually miss the playoffs twice and USE their assets that they acquired in the lottery to acquire Garnett and Allen..the Lakers missed the playoffs only once, and they got to keep their lottery pick(Bynum), and they still acquired Gasol..if they at least had to give up Bynum in the deal, they wouldn't have such a massive size advantage over the rest of the league, thus evening out the West(Lakers would still be the favorites, but it wouldn't be nearly the same)..
Also, regarding Marc Gasol..people like to hype it up and whatever, it's obviously BS, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt..if you look back at forums and whatever at the time though, Crittenton was actually receiving a lot more hype than Gasol was, he was supposed to be the main prospect that was received in the trade..a ing 19th pick that didn't have that high of a ceiling..
Imagine how good that Memphis team would be right now with Pau Gasol instead of Marc Gasol.
But hey! Now they have the cap space to go out in the market and not re-sign Rudy Gay and not get any other big name free agents. So all that financial flexibility from the Gasol trade pans out!
The T'Wolves weren't making the playoffs when they traded Garnett (lottery 2 years prior) and they're not making the playoffs with Jefferson.
At some point the team's front office, and not its best player, deserves the blame.
Besides Pierce, Al Jefferson was the best player on the Celtics at the time...
lol "great talent" Javaris Crittenton
Put it this way, If the Celtics pulled off a collusion by acquiring KG, Al Jefferson should never have been traded to the T'wolves.
And how did those Celtics fare?
24-58 and the 29th out of 3 teams.
So he was the 2nd best player on the 2nd worse team.
Salaries have to match up... collusion or not.
Lakers gave up almost nothing for Gasol.
Celtics gave up good player in Al Jefferson but that was a lopsided deal anyway you paint it
Spurs also got Richard Jefferson for cheap which shouldn't be ignored, but Jefferson is not Garnett or Gasol by a longshot. Good player, I still like him. Spurs gave up Kurt Thomas and Bruce Bowen for him.
Nothing?
Kwame's huge expiring contract (very valuable in today's NBA) which became Zach who put up numbers this year to equal Pau's
Crittenton
2008 1st round pick
2010 1st round pick
2010 2nd round pick
Marc Gasol (with 2010 numbers very close to Pau's)
Memphis is happy with the trade and what it enabled them to do. Unfortunately, Zach was a bonehead off the court and that will cost them but the money they gained from dumping Kwame allowed them to pick up Zach who had Pau like numbers this year. Marc also had Pau like numbers. Some of us who can see talent beyond a stat sheet saw his potential. That others didn't does not mean it wasn't there or the deal was of lesser value. No wonder the grizz wanted him included and LA balked until the last min and made him part of the trade. LA is happy with the trade obviously. So it's a win win for the 2 teams involved. That others don't like it, call it collusion, or ignorantly claim the Lakers gave up nothing, is irrelevant and nothing but sour grapes!
Jackson just being the that he is.
Yeah Memphis really stole your lunch with that trade
So Memphis got Kwame and a bunch of late first round picks? Seriously though, is kwame still playing in the nba? The boston trade was bad enough, but the gasol one is a laugher. Both trades essentially disrupted the nba by causing other teams to make rash moves and to prevent other teams from emerging.
edit: had to look him up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwame_Brown
There you are!!!
http://www.nba.com/pistons/roster/ buried in Detroit.
Last edited by pauls931; 06-08-2010 at 07:40 AM.
Are you kidding me??? ARe people really gonna try and insult the greatness that is the 15 time NBA champion Lakers of Los Angeles lead by the GOAT Kobe "Jellybean" Bryant???
That Laker trade was anything but collusion!!!!!! I mean if anything they got the better end of the deal!!!!! They have all the cap space in the world now, a superstar in Marc Gasol, they traded away Kwame Brown but he definitely gives the Detroit Pistons size to anchor that championship defense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not to mention they got Jarvaris Crittenton who was supposed to revolutionize the PG position for years!!!! This thread just screams butthurt because your team is not as great as the 15 time NBA Champion Lakers of Los Angeles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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